Re: German population in Europe after fall of Roman Empire.

From: Soren Larsen (sohela_at_tiscali.dk)
Date: 06/09/04 

Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:40:12 +0200

"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> skrev i en
meddelelse news:H%qxc.1896$dx3.14842@newsb.telia.net
> "Jona Lendering" <ADSL294196@tiscali.nl> skrev i meddelandet
> news:40C63A91.AD22F668@tiscali.nl...
>> Kohlfurz wrote:
>>>
>>> This map is in error. The Goths came from the Black Sea area in the
>>> Balkans, not from Scandinavia.
>>
>> Before they lived near the Black Sea, they probably lived on the
>> banks of the Lower Oder (Strabo 7.1.3; cf. Tacitus, Germania 44).
>
> The Ostrogoths started of from Östergötland and Tjust Smaaland(Teutas
> in older ages) that's well documented among other by myself in one of
> my essays/thesis.

More ancient drivel from Inger and doesn't even get it right.

The Tjust identification is for the tribe 'Theustes' mentioned by
Jordanes _not the Ostrogoths_. But never mind. This identification
has not been take serious for about a century.

>The Goths came from Scandinavia. There still exists
> more than 50 sources from 54 AD written by Dio who visited the home
> of the Goths - from River Visla's outlet over the sea to Scandinavia.

Remarkable concidering that Dio lived ca 150-235.

> To Oder resp Visla area some of them moved starting around 250 BC,
> first merchandisers then a merchandise town is known by several of
> the Historians from the first two centuries AD.
>
> Ingemar Nordgren's Dissertation Goterkällan is one of the major works
> the last 10 years in the subject.

The funny thing is that when we discuss this on the germanic-l
then Ingemar doesn't claim that the Goths stem from Scandinavia,
but rather that the Goths in Scandinavia and on the continent
has their name from a common cult for the god 'Gaut'

BTW A modern work discussing this is Arne Søby Christensen's
'Cassiodurus, Jordanes and the History of the Goths,
Studies in a Migration Myth", 2002, 391 pages, ISBN 87-7289-710-4.

Cheers
Soren Larsen

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