Re: Turn of the 20th century documents on Vinland - Shipley, Fischer & Jelic

From: Inger E Johansson (inger_e.johansson_at_notelia.com)
Date: 06/16/04 

Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:18:15 GMT

Doug,
I return to this tomorrow when I have the work I refered to below in my
hand.

Inger E

"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:1cjgkm2f9dukh.17313v7r0ddgh.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:59:07 GMT, Inger E Johansson wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> > You don't get it do you?
> > First of all it's not up to you who aren't a scholar of History to
decide
> > which works that are valid or not from a scholarly point of view.
>
> I didn't say they weren't valid from a scholarly point of view. Of
course,
> you've cut out everything I wrote -- the context -- so people might
believe
> I actually said that.
>
> I wrote "These are offered not as serious sources of information about
> Vinland but as historical data *about the study* of Vinland."
>
> You can't decide what I'm offering them for.
>
> > Secondly - no matter what you and some other try to make believe it's
not
> > the title and/or the degree of the presenter(writer) nor is it your or
> > anyone else subjective view of the scholar, writer etc.
> > The only thing that matter is the facts. Not when it was written and by
who.
>
> So what? I didn't write anything to which your statements above are a
> response.
>
> >
> > Your so called turn isn't a turn - I never been discussing anything but
the
> > 1354-1364 documents re. Vinland.
>
> It took me a while to figure out what you meant by this. Does someone
else
> want to explain what the subject line means please?
>
> > You might not believe it, not even like it
> > nor might some others here but they are much more known than you can
dream
> > of. As a Swedish Professor said two months ago - the Vinland trade is
> > wellknown and other things to.
>
> Fine, tell Göran Bäärnhielm he's wrong. But until you start naming names
> and giving references, don't expect to be taken seriously.
>
> I don't believe it until I see evidence. As for liking it, I'd love to
see
> more evidence about Vinland.
>
> >
> > Btw your list is incomplete but to that I will return tomorrow when a
work I
> > have ordered will be available.
>
> Inger, you are something else. Please tell me what documents I have on my
> web site that I don't know about. How dare you tell me that my list of
> what is on my web site relevant to the subject line is incomplete? Are you
> accusing me of hiding things on my web site?
>
> Ah, I forgot to tell people. Kirsten Seaver emailed me yesterday and
> mentioned that her new book has been announced:
> Maps, Myths, and Men: The Story of the Vinland Map
> by Kirsten A. Seaver
> Paperback: 504 pages
> Book Description
> The "Vínland Map" first surfaced on the antiquarian market in 1957 and the
> map's authenticity has been hotly debated ever since-in controversies
> ranging from the anomalous composition of the ink and the map's lack of
> provenance to a plethora of historical and cartographical riddles. "Maps,
> Myths, and Men" is the first work to address the full range of this
debate.
> Focusing closely on what the map in fact shows, the book contains a
> critique of the 1965 work "The Vinland Map and the Tartar Relation";
> scrutinizes the marketing strategies used in 1957; and covers many aspects
> of the map that demonstrate it is a modern fake, such as literary evidence
> and several scientific ink analyses performed between 1967 and 2002. The
> author explains a number of the riddles and provides evidence for both the
> identity of the mapmaker and the source of the parchment used, and she
> applies current knowledge of medieval Norse culture and exploration to
> counter widespread misinformation about Norse voyages to North America and
> about the Norse world picture
>
> Doug

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