Re: Did Sumerians know Camels and Horses ?
From: Seppo Renfors (Renfors_at_not.net.au)
Date: 06/18/04
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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:01:55 GMT
Saggiga wrote:
>
> Thanks JMB for your answer and sorry if I looked rude, but I didnt
> intend to be. I just wanted to tell you there have been discoveries
> since Kramer. I used the smiley ;-) (but I think that Tom McDonald is
> angry at me because he didnt notice I was trying to give you an
> helpfull advice...)
>
> I will make short answers if thats ok for you ?
>
> "What area do you think camels roamed over at the time?"
> I think camels come from Sahara. I think that semits brought them into
> Sumer.
Your "Sahara" is in a different place from that on the map if the bits
below are supposed to point to "Sahara".
> http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/camels.htm
> "Archeologists think that domestication took place in the middle or
> southern part of the Arabian Peninsula about 3,000 B.C. From there,
> they moved to other parts of the Middle East and eventually into North
> Africa."
>
> "I have read they come from Dilumn, the Isle of Barhein."
> Cornwall (On the Location of Tilmun) or from Zecharia Sitchin (The
> Stairway to Heaven)
>
> "Why must they come from there?"
> Because they come from East of Eden (Steppe), from the Isle of Dilmun
> (Barhain).
> If we go forth in that logical progression, they come from East of
> Dilmun. I imagine that they left the Indus Valley, crossed Iran and
> arrived in Barhein ? Maybe they had to leave the Indus Valley due to
> invasions of other people like indoeuropeans ?
http://www2.sfu.ca/archaeology/museum/peb/paper1.html
" Domesticated camel may be represented at Gobedra Rockshelter, but
the estimated date of 7000-3000 bp awaits confirmation by radiocarbon
dating (Phillipson, 1993a). Based on ecological and related data,
Bulliet (1975) suggests that camels were introduced to sub-Saharan
Africa sometime between 2500-1500 BC, however, this hypothesis remains
untested by zooarchaeological evidence"
> Dravidians were living in north of India several thousands years ago,
> and they were invaded by indo-europeans and had to migrate to South,
> so maybe Sumerians are one part of those dravidians who migrated to
> the East ?
The were never "invaded" at all. The semi-nomadic people who
immigrated lived alongside the Harappan (the Dravidian languages
speaking people) civilisation peacably. The very fact that they did so
is why they were able to remain when the Harappan civilisation died
out - the Saraswati river dried up and the Harappan cities were left
high and dry and they couldn't make a living anymore.
> "Do you have any other reason for believing there may have been such
> links?"
> Linguistic reasons : Dravidian and Sumerian languages are found to be
> linked.
> Like R.Schenck wrote : The 'Elamo-Dravidian' family of languages has
> an early form that wrote in a sumerian script.
You are confusing "script" with "language" - script is the "lettering
style" used to write a language - any language.
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