Re: Phaethon causing the Dark Ages ?

From: DHObraasch (dhobraasch_at_t-online.de)
Date: 06/23/04 

Date: 23 Jun 2004 02:24:23 -0700

Martyn Harrison <nospam@spammers.of.the.world.unite> wrote in message news:<1esbd0ltftdf2veudrahq65r9na9i8cchn@4ax.com>...
> Apparently on date 20 Jun 2004 08:20:48 -0700, dhobraasch@t-online.de
> (DHObraasch) said:
>
> >Phaethon causing the Dark Ages ?
> >
> >Problem II. How to force an asteroid to circle round the earth ?
> >Hyothesis:
> >The Asteroid impacted the earth not straight lined but toughed the
> >atmosphere more tangentially
>
> This is possible but I would say highly unlikely, and there will be certain
> limits imposed on the upper and lower limits of the mass of the object,

I tried to calculate the kinetic energy of a ´rock´two km in
diameter, 10 km/s

 also
> the mechanics of the orbit will mean it won't be visible from the same place
> with each subsequent pass.

agree

> A comet is visible for a period of time, but does not orbit the earth or enter
> the atmosphere, on the whole. If it did, long before it was a fireball, it
> would be a bright night sky with no visible nucleus. As the nucleus reached
> significant atmosphere, a small region of earth would see a fireball and *mere
> seconds* later, would be experiencing ground zero.

The problem are the ´mere seconds´later. May be the crucial point.What
about the ´plama pressure´ underneath the rotating ´rock´? A power
counteracting the earthly pull of gravidity.(Second War. A rotating
bomb running on the water surface of the Edersee pasing the protecting
water-nets in front of the dam, so contacted the dam and distroyed
it.)
What EXPIRIMENTAL data are refering to a tangential meteorit with a
diameter two kilometer ?

> Nobody will see a spiraling object.

Could be, but must be ? The hypothesis is beased on a ´rolling stone´,
rolling along the atmosphere. If so then the glowing image of the
Phaethon depends on the velocity of the rock, the rotation speed of
its surface and the air drag. Probably not forming a definite spirale.
May be more a ´spiral´ with short bent arms.
One should not overestimate the term ´spiral´. The spiral metioned by
Plinius allowed hypothetically the assumption of a roating meteorit. A
working hypothesis. If so, what then ?

> As I say, it's possible to have an object make repeated orbits through the
> atmosphere before the air drag brought it to an impact trajectory, but you
> probably want to think about who could see what, before trying to connect an
> event of that type, with the descriptions of what ancient people produced.
>
> >
> >http://home.t-online.de/home/dhobraasch/1-defect-spirals.htm
> >
> >Regards
> >Dieter Braasch
>
> Also, no comet / meteorite that has passed through the solar system would
> disturb the motion of Earth enough to cause the sun to behave differently to
> observers on earth.

A misunderstanding. I never thought that Phaethon could disturb the
motion of sun or earth.

> Even a regular black hole on a near miss, wouldn't disturb the motion of earth
> (but would result in energy changes on earth that definitely extinguished all
> but the most simple life forms.)
>
> This isn't about "could there be an orbit", but about the energy required to
> perform the trick. It's too huge to even consider as a (recent pre-) historical
> event. The surface of the earth would melt back to lava, poles included, long
> before the earth was affected enough to lose a degree of solar position for a
> single day. This sort of thing doubtless went on, here and there, around the
> solar system before there was life, but not while we had life on this orb.
> Certainly not in a sense that could be reported by our ancestors.

Agree.

Remaining so far open questions.
1.) We don´t know what the Dorian potter thought about while painting
the disturbed double spirals on the Doric ceramics. Conceivable a
consideration within the frame of an European sun religion with the
wide spread spiral supposed to be the main symbol.

2.)Where to get the energy to burn Libya and to to give rise to a
heavy rain (FLOOD ?There are numerous contexts (compiled in german,
sorry)

FIRE. Ramses III ( nearly an eyewitness)(Medinet Habu. cit. Spanuth)
" Libya became a desert, a terrible flare from the sky to look for
their souls and to devastate their people--- those burns in its area,
directly like as a fire in furnace" (Libya)

RAIN.Plato,Timaios,Atlantis.
"--- first of all the area of the today´s Akropolis was not in the
today´s condition. Now only one night with large rain away-washed the
earth all around and made the hill bald-- (my transl.)

Regards
Dieter Braasch

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