Re: Atlantis, Plato, and Morality

From: Jiri Mr. (sure_at_sure.com)
Date: 07/01/04 

Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 01:42:53 GMT

R.Schenck wrote:

> "Jiri Mr." <sure@sure.com> wrote in message
> news:<FsmEc.943296$oR5.445794@pd7tw3no>...
>
>> Guys, guys, it is obvious that many of you (Hello, Skeptics) lack
>> the basic insight into the nature of Timaeus and Critias - it is
>> foremostly an outstanding work of science, and not a poetic fable.
>> This crucial error is a direct result of your unorthodox view of
>> Plato himself, so common to all critics of his Atlantis. You simply
>> forget, who Plato was. I am not even going to get into details of
>> this obvious conclusion. This attitude of yours borders on the
>> immoral, because it is Plato's own morality, which you attack. One
>> good example of a ridiculous assertion: "So, who knows? Maybe Plato
>> was merely trying to honor ol' Solon by attempting to complete his
>> story for him? Maybe Plato was merely trying to make sure ol'
>> Solon's story got published posthumously?" Man, you call that
>> trying to complete a story? Writing a few pages, then giving it up,
>> when the best was still to come? That's what you call trying to
>> honor ol' Solon? There is a deep and irreconcilable difference
>> between our perceptions of Plato. To you he was an irresponsible
>> fibbing poet. To me, he was a scientist with a good sense of his
>> role in science (philosophy). You like playing with words, so tell
>> me the meanings of the two root words (philo-sophia),

> 'love wisdom' no?

Yes, love knowledge, wisdom.

>> and why Plato was a philosopher.

> Because he philosophized.

Yes, he did science.

>> Is it not true that when a philosopher leaves an account for all
>> the future generations to come, it is with the understanding of the
>> duty, which comes with the role?

> How does that make it a literal historical account? Why can't it
> have been an early attempt at something like 'The Republic'?

Because he says so. I place high value on Plato's veracity. It is easy
to do, Plato helps the process by providing the right contents, ideal to
inducing the kind of trust I have - trust based on facts.
Like a jewel in a crown so the story of Atlantis is set in a chain of
truly revealing observations. It is genius in action. When reading the
dialogues, it is helpful to pay good attention to the minutiae.

>> Plato gave us what he saw as essential in Solon's account, and thus
>> brought the millenia long efforts of Egyptian chroniclers to
>> fruition.
>
>
> Is there any evidence of egyptian or solonic records of atlantis?

Must be lots of it out there, seeing that even I have found some.
Abydos Helicopter - did you see my decoding of it? It is sweet. Really
convincing even to a skeptic. Still, I am open to talking about it.

http://www.geocities.com/JiriMruzek/abyhelic.htm

>> It is of note that Solon was doing pretty much the same thing as
>> Pythagoras. Both handed us the knowledge, which once was part of
>> secret knowledge held by the Egyptian Temple. It is not surprising
>> to me that those who misunderstand Plato should misunderstand my
>> own work, which is unconcerned with the location of Atlantis, and
>> dwells purely on the subject of hermetic science in certain ancient
>> artworks.

> Weren't those medival 'thrice great hermes' texts frauds?

My reference is mostly to prehistoric art in excess of 14,000 years old,
you know the time, when Atlantis was supposed to flourish.

>> There is no doubt in my mind that the two are directly connected.
>> That's what the so called Seal of Atlantis is all about -
>> connections, and proofs. The Seal of Atlantis is truly final in
>> that it seals the issue of the Lost Science. Having established the
>> existence of Lost Science, we would like to establish its sources,
>> as well. There are two speculative, but not mutually exclusive
>> choices: a) Atlantis, and other advanced prehistoric civilisations
>> b) Aliens To speculate about the existence of Lost Science is a
>> waste of time. I gave the world several excellent examples of the
>> Lost Science, thus it is no longer "lost" as in 'missing'. However,
>> it is still lost to us as a great body of knowledge, but even this
>> situatiion may yet be rectified, if it is in the stars.

> So....was there some sort of evidence for the existance of atlantis
> there? Where did plato say it was, if he wasn't saying its in the
> atlantic?

He certainly made sure that he placed it into the Atlantic in such a way
that there could be no mistaking what he meant. That fact
notwithstanding, there is still lots of those who will attempt to twist
his words.
Anyhow, Atlantic is a pretty big ocean. We may never find Atlantis - the
submerged island, but we might be able to read some ancient encodings so
successfully, we'll learn the answer to this question and others.

Jiri
http://www.geocities.com/JiriMruzek/index.html

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