Re: Who moved Atlantis? Now it's in Spain

From: Saggiga (sag_giganospam_at_yahoo.de)
Date: 07/05/04 

Date: 5 Jul 2004 05:49:24 -0700

"JMB" <jmb@utvinternet.ie> wrote in message news:<cc9c18$lg2$1@kermit.esat.net>...
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> > > "Saggiga" <sag_giganospam@yahoo.de> wrote in message
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> > > > "JMB" <jmb@utvinternet.ie> wrote in message
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> > > > > "Saggiga" <sag_giganospam@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > >
> > > --SNIP--
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. Maybe Plato changed details of the story and made it political
> who
> > > > > > knows, but the original and oldest source is egyptian.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plato **claims** that his story is based on an older source. It
> should
> not
> > > > > be assumed that he is telling the truth. Even in modern times, some
> of
> the
> > > > > best fictional works are **claimed** to be based on fact, or give
> the
> > > > > impression that they actually happened.
> > > >
> > > > Not true, that story is found on egyptian hieroglyphs. (the Tale of
> > > > the Shipwrecked Sailor) You can find it at :
> > > > http://www.touregypt.net/shipwreckedsailor.htm
> > >
> > > That text has often been mentioned as a possible pre-cursor to the story
> of
> > > Sinbad in the Arabian Nights. What makes you think it has anything at
> all
> > > to do with Atlantis?
> > >
> > JMB,
> > Yes it was precursor to Sinbad and Atlantis.
> > When you read the text, you will see the sailor reaches a far away
> > island etc. Read the story first and do a little google search and
> > you will find the answer to your question. (I am quite busy these days
> > sorry)
>
> I have read the story many times, and there is nothing in it that even
> remotely resembles the Atlantis myth.

JMB,

The Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor doesnt mention Atlantis because
that name was invented by Plato. And it is the only known egyptian
source which "could" be related to Plato's Atlantis story. It is
highly possible that Plato modified that tale and had other unknown
sources...

Read this : http://www.princeton.edu/~lisawynn/dissertation/newage.html

"According to Plato, Solon got his tale from Egyptian priests. This is
undoubtedly the basis for later theories that connected Egypt's
monumental architecture with fleeing Atlantean colonists. It has also
led some academics to look for the Egyptian mythical origin for
Plato's Atlantis. J.G. Griffiths argues that Solon's visit was a
historical reality and finds parallels between the Atlantis myth and
various Egyptian stories like that of The Shipwrecked Sailor
(Griffiths 1991:11). M. Martin suggests that the tale actually did
come from the Egyptian priests, but that "the Egyptian priests took a
pleasure in deceiving the Greeks." Jowett, though, sees Plato's
Atlantis story as pure myth, and in response to Martin, argues that
"there is a greater deceiver or magician than the Egyptian priests,
that is to say, Plato himself."

Whether Plato had an Egyptian source for his story or not, he
certainly had a more immediate Greek source: Herodotus. While the
first recorded mention of Atlantis is Plato's, it is Herodotus who
first speaks of Solon's travels to Egypt, and there are substantial
similarities between Herodotus's Ecbatana, capital of the Median
Empire, and Plato's Atlantis: both cities are constructed as several
concentric rings within rings, for example (Griffiths 1991:5-8). There
are also a number of parallels between Plato's Atlantis and
Herodotus's account of Egyptian kingship rites. As Griffiths wryly
notes, "Plato was supremely original in many aspects of his thinking,
but during his visit to Egypt he was perhaps content…to use Herodotus
as his Baedeker" (ibid p.19).
"

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