Re: bark cloth (Re: Polynesian canoes

From: Yuri Kuchinsky (yuku_at_trends.ca)
Date: 07/25/04 

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:59:03 -0400

Peter Ashby wrote:
>
> Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
>
> > Peter Ashby wrote:
> > >
> > > Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Peter Ashby wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Peter Ashby wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yuri Kuchinsky <yuku@trends.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "t(nospam)kavanagh" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bottom post snipped as irrelevant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Inger E Johansson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Carmen,
> > > > > > > > > > you have been very informative in your lines and I can fully
> > > > > > > > > > understand your reaction on what you have seen here in
> > > > > > > > > > regards to reactions and comments.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you mind me asking you one question in re. of the
> > > > > > > > > > subject line 'bark cloth'? You and others have discussed
> > > > > > > > > > techniques to make these bark cloths, but there is one
> > > > > > > > > > thing I haven't been able to figure out/understand: Is it
> > > > > > > > > > only special bark-'types' which can be used, and does the
> > > > > > > > > > procedure to prepare the bark before it's woven take a
> > > > > > > > > > long or a short time?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Inger, you haven't done your homework. NWC "bark cloth" is
> > > > > > > > > indeed woven, with perpendicular warp and weft. Most
> > > > > > > > > Polynesian "bark cloth" is the soft inner bark of various
> > > > > > > > > trees, *pounded* with stone hammers into a single mass,
> > > > > > > > > almost like felting.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There are, however, some examples of Polynesian woven bark
> > > > > > > > > textiles, but they are nothing like the NWC textiles.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > tk
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "The cloaks of shredded inner bark in the National Museum from
> > > > > > > > New Zealand and the Queen Charlotte Island are so much alike,
> > > > > > > > that it takes a close inspection to distinguish them." (A. P.
> > > > > > > > Niblack, THE COAST INDIANS OF SOUTHERN ALASKA AND NORTHERN
> > > > > > > > BRITISH COLUMBIA, in Rept. Nat. Mus. Brit. Columbia, 1888)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess you missed it the first time...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, I can't think what I was doing in 1888 to have missed that
> > > > > > > Yone uri.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, you missed it only a few days ago.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I have quoted papers from that sort of period in my academic
> > > > > > > work, but that is because nobody has revisted that stuff in the
> > > > > > > interim. Can you really tell us in good conscience that this is
> > > > > > > the last academic word on the subject?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter -- Add my middle initial to email me. It has become
> > > > > > > attached to a country
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think somehow that the traditional Maori and Canadian West
> > > > > > Coast cloaks have changed so much since 1888...
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll take that little ellision as a No then. I don't think mouse
> > > > > muscle anatomy has changed since 1888 either, but that hasn't
> > > > > stopped me reanalysing it. But then you know that and are just
> > > > > playing for time in the hope that noone will notice you have no idea
> > > > > because you haven't looked.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country
> > > >
> > > > Mouse muscle anatomy has nothing to do with bark cloth. Nice
> > > > evasion.
> > >
> > > Nice try and pretending your reading comprehension isn't up to the
> > > discussion Yuri. It doesn't however let you off the hook of adressing
> > > the real question which you have nicely avoided. Now do you know any
> > > more modern references or not?
> > >
> > > Peter
> >
> > This is an archy group. We like old stuff here. The older
> > the better!
> >
> > Duh.
>
> There's that mirror again you keep looking into. You do realise that
> your continual deliberate obtuseness does not do your case any good,
> don't you?
>
> But then if you want to continue digging down in that hole then I'm not
> about to take your spade away.
>
> Peter
> BTW I'm not reading this in sci.arch, you once again invaded a NZ group
> I frequent. That is how I noticed you first, all those years ago.
>
> --
> Add my middle initial to email me. It has become attached to a country

I don't get your point.

Yuri.

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