Re: bark cloth (Re: Polynesian canoes
From: benlizross (benlizro_at_ihug.co.nz)
Date: 07/28/04
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:56:26 +1200
Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
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> benlizross wrote:
> >
> > Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> > >
> > > benlizross wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yuri Kuchinsky wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "t(nospam)kavanagh" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > > And finally, a little later in that same paragraph that Yuri is wont to
> > > > > > quote, Niblack concludes "... yet the resemblances and similarities are
> > > > > > as likely to have arisen from the like tendencies of the human mind
> > > > > > under the same external conditions, or environment, to develop along
> > > > > > parallel lines as through contact or common origin."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tk
> > > > >
> > > > > There are 2 separate issues here.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Were these cloaks similar in appearance?
> > > > > 2. How to explain this similarity.
> > > > >
> > > > > Niblack testimony re #1 is important. His attempt to address
> > > > > #2 is open to debate.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, Niblack can be absolutely relied upon as an observer of
> > > > similarity, but his explanation of the similarity is "open to debate"
> > > > because he doesn't come up with the answer you want?!
> > >
> > > Putting words into my mouth...
> >
> > Perfectly straightforward paraphrase of what you said.
>
> No, a misrepresentation of what I said.
>
> Why is it so difficult for you to grasp the difference
> between direct observation and inference?
>
> > > > I draw your attention again to this quote from you:
> > > >
> > > > >W Coast weaving techniques are very similar to NZ since the
> > > > >materials used in the two areas provide parallel fibers.
> > > > >Hence "finger-weaving" was required.
> > > >
> > > > >That is why Captain Cook noted that the finger weaving
> > > > >techniques were so similar in Canada and in New Zealand.
> > > >
> > > > in which you provide your own functional explanation of the similarity
> > > > noted by Cook.
> > >
> > > So what?
> >
> > Do you really not understand the logic of these comparisons you keep
> > making? If the similarities arise through common responses to the same
> > environmental and functional needs, they are not evidence of a specific
> > historical connection.
>
> This is a tautology.
No, Yuri, it's not. As I thought, you don't even really understand the
basis of the arguments you keep making.
>
> > > > You seem to be so biased in favour of a diffusionist explanation that
> > > > you will ignore even what your own sources say.
> > >
> > > Huh???
> > >
> > > Down with Diffusionism!
> > >
> > > > Why are we still wasting time on this item?
> > > >
> > > > Ross Clark
> > >
> > > Nobody is asking you to waste any of your valuable time on
> > > anything. You can go along and play somewhere else...
> > >
> > > Instead of engaging in your misrepresentations and personal
> > > attacks.
> >
> > So why are _you_ still wasting time with this item when you have refuted
> > it yourself?
> >
> > Ross Clark
>
> I have no idea what you're talking about now...
Yes, unfortunately that's becoming clear, as I said above.
Too bad.
Ross Clark
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