Re: Question re. Copper artifact CanadianArcticformerRe:CopperCasting In America (Trevelyan)

From: Eric Stevens (eric.stevens_at_sum.co.nz)
Date: 07/29/04 

Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:15:48 +1200

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:52:11 -0500, Tom McDonald
<tmcdonald2672@nohormelcharter.net> wrote:

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> I don't suppose I could prevail upon those invested in this
>endless liar-caller-fest to pause a moment.

I'd like it to stop for ever. In fact, I have already said as much and
my views have been supported by Lukas Pietch

>I'd like to know
>what you agree on wrt the time-depth of sea-worthy skin boats in
>the Arctic, and in sub-Arctic Greenland?

I think they are likely to stretch back far beyond the earliest
example known to archaeology. +12k years.
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> I'd also be interested in whether you've come to agreement
>about the actual construction of late pre-historic and historic
>skin boats in that area.

I only know of the examples which I have already posted:
http://home.pacifier.com/~qayaq/Kayak%20Replicas%20Greenland.htm and
in particular the photographs
http://home.pacifier.com/~qayaq/images/Schiffer2.jpg and
http://home.pacifier.com/~qayaq/images/e0102inside.jpg
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> And if anyone remembers why the subject came up in the first
>place, perhaps a state-of-play statement about that would be
>interesting.

This all started with a discussion of whether or not a plane would
have been immediately recognised as something useful by the inuit
kayak builders who came in contact with the Norse. My contention is
that it would not have been so immediately recognised although full
advantage would later be taken of what it could do.

The photographs I have cited above show rectangular main spars for
even the oldest kayaks. I can't imagine the ancient builders feeling
the need to shap such members armed only with adzes and axes. In my
opinion these are more 'modern' adaptations of the structure of the
ancient kayaks.

Eric Stevens

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