Re: Celtic Church (Re: St Nicholas Chapel

From: Inger E Johansson (inger_e.johansson_at_notelia.com)
Date: 08/03/04 

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:41:49 GMT

"Jim Webster" <Jim@zerospam.mok.net> skrev i meddelandet
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> "Jim Sheffield" <jwsheffield@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Yuri Kuchinsky" <yuku@trends.ca> wrote in message
> > news:410E720E.87152835@trends.ca...
> > > Seppo Renfors <Renfors@not.com.au> wrote
> > > in article <410C5AEF.122B7CFF@not.com.au>:
> > > > Tom McDonald wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Seppo,
> > > > >
> > > > > The 'Celtic Church' refers to Christianity in Ireland and
> some
> > > > > neighboring areas before Patrick brought Roman orthodoxy to the
> > > > > area.
> > > >
> >
> > Patrick never mentions the pope and the Celtic Church of Columba of
Iona
> > and
> > Abbot Kolman were opposed to Rome on the date of Easter and they came
> after
> > Patrick.
> > If you read Bede a Saxon you will see that Rome used the Angles and
> Saxons
> > to destroy Celtic Christianity.
>
> the problem with this as an argument is that the Angles and Saxons made no
> serious attempt to destroy Celtic Christianity. After all to do this would
> have had to deal with it in Ireland and the Angles and Saxons were far to
> happily engaged fighting among themselves to worry overmuch about the
Irish

I second that Jim W. I didn't find any indication that the Angles or the
Saxons made it past Wales when I did a survey. Let alone to Ireland.

The argument Jim S put forward that St Patrick didn't mention Iona is of
course natural. We don't have especially much of St Patrick's own hand and
apart from that Iona was started by St Columba after St Patrick's death. St
Columba was grandson's grandson to Neill/Nial and born 521 AD. Thus St
Columba's grandfarther's grandfather would have been more contemporary to St
Patrick.
>
> Jim Webster
>
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