Re: Shellfish Allergies Re: Grass or sand apes

From: Philip Deitiker (Donevenask_at_worlnet.att.net)
Date: 08/04/04 

Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:55:53 GMT

Su Solomon <susol@zemail.com> says in
news:410F4C5D.1C02@zemail.com:

> Nope not dancing, questioning.
>
> Shell fish middens occur everywhere where these foods are
> available, but as far as I know there are no people
> (hunter-gatherers) that subsists entirely on these foods,
> for the protein portion of their diet. Most info on shell
> fish is that they are used as a 'snack food', much like we
> use them as an entree today. See:
>
> Meehan, Betty. 1982. Shell Bed to Shell Midden.
> Australian Institute of Aboriginal Studies, Canberra.

Well, no people subsist entirely on anything. However, there is
alot better evidence for shellfish consumption that evidence for
large terrestrial animal in some areas. My point is not that a
given people were shellfish specialist, but that some people
were lagostrian/estuarian/riparian/etc. specialist. And
shellfish was a typical part of the diet.

> You only occasionally ate oysters, but it appears that your
> diet was predominately beef with some additions of wheat
> and milk products.

Actually I was eating way to much wheat in retrospect, beef
consumption was probably less than poultry consumption, but
combined with milk and derived product consumption was greater.
This really is not the point, the point is that there are
enviromental synsitizers that are poorly understood, wheat is
not the only one. Japanese for example have found buckwheat
intolerance, as I mentioned Rye and Barley. The chemistry of
glaidin makes it clear that any protein that has a short motive
containing 2 glutamines can become a substrate for tGT, and this
can then be deamidated and/or transamidated with the lysines of
other dietary protiens. Potentially one can find these things
from other sources and other Class II molecules can present them
as DQ2.5 and DQ3.2 present the two immunoactive deamidated
peptides from glaidin. This is my point. What gives you a
specific allergy may have nothing particularly to do with its
allerginic qualities, every protein has allergenic qualities.
I can take your hemoglobin, mix it with Frued's complete
adjuvant, and inject it back into you and I will develope very
nice anti-human Hb antibodies. Cancer researchers took the
cancer cells from patients and ground them up trying to extract
cancer proteins, then reimmunized these into the patients with
adjuvent, want to guess what happened.

  Its not so much the allergen its the synsetizer.

Flu is a synsetizer for many allergies. Other prolonged chronic
diseases are sysetizer, since Wheat can cause the flattening of
the intestinal mucousa, and because it can go undetected for
years, it becomes a chronic disease, alas, it is also a
synsetizer. That is the point.
  For some reason pregnant women eating peanuts synsetizes the
fetus to become allergic to peanuts. IOW allergies are very
complex business. So we should be talking about what the
allergic synsetizers are, and who is susceptable to these
agents.

  If you were a hunter-gatherer, you
> would have eaten a little bit of everything, in its season.
>
>
>> This is different in central america, because corn is
>> probably
>> a healthier crop than wheat,
>
>
> Corn based diets just rots your teeth : )
>
>> but there is social pressure from
>> the west to change, and the result may be future class
>> warfare and large scale rejection of western culture in
>> societies with high 0301/0302 levels. I think that this
>> may have been one factor in the case of the Ache if you
>> already have corn, why should you be forced to adopt a
>> wheat culture?
>> But in terms of shellfish middens in the new world. In
>> the new
>> world it appears that south american settlers moved up
>> from south america and into eastern US after expanding
>> within south america. There may have been peoples who
>> settled directly, but there is a strong stream of
>> 0301/0302 in the native peoples east of the mississippi.
>> Thus give middens in Japan, and given the strongest node
>> in the new world for people who share genetic similarity
>> with the Ryukyuans I would argue that shellfish
>> consumption for the first settlers to the new world was
>> not a problem, it was a means of survival and expansion.
>> And when those hunters finally came from wherever they
>> came from, that shellfish consumption kept the
>> riparian/lagostrian/coastal peoples from being displaced
>> by a more technologically advanced people. Now if those
>> people had an intolerance to shellfish greater than
>> shellfish eaters, what do you think it would balance the
>> selective effect of new technology long enough for the old
>> guys to learn a few new tricks?
>> It is not clear to me that shellfish eaters might not
>> have
>> followed a trail of snails, grubby things, and clams all
>> the way from africa to the new world via indonesia. The
>> only little hangup I see would be along the aluetian chain
>> where it would seem likely to me, that these maritime
>> travelers had moved on to pelagic resources.
> 

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