Re: Gliadin Intolerance, and prehistoric diet.
From: Philip Deitiker (Donevenask_at_worlnet.att.net)
Date: 08/07/04
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:12:42 GMT
grosvenr@bga.com (Texas rider) says in
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> You are eating a much more limited diet than I am, but that
> isn't that surprising after listening to some of the other
> people I've met. Dr. Fine has many autoimmune problems
> himself, and apparently can not eat any dairy or meat, eggs
> or cheese, coffee, etc. He lives on trail mix (without
> peanuts), avocadoes, salads, tea, water, fruits and
> vegetables. That's about it. You are right about the
> peanuts. He gave us a list of 14 problematic foods and
> peanuts was one of worst offenders. Almonds seem to be o.k.
> for most celiacs. Peanuts are legumes, so they are a bit
> different from the others.
The problem with peanuts is they do not break down well in the
stomach, particularly whole peanuts. They can shove their way
easily through the eosinophilic patches and become embedded in
the outside wall of the small intestine where they will attract
alot of attention, just like a thorne in your finger.
> In my case I can eat a lot of
> dairy products. I do not think that is normal-- many of
> these folks really must survive on a paleolithic diet
> (almost like Fine's but with a little meat). We also found
> that the diet can curb the effects of a whole lot of other
> illnesses related to modern foods -- diverticulitis,
> fibromyalgia, ashtma, rheumatoid arthritis, acid reflex,
> and Krohn's. I met people who were completely drug free on
> their own cusotomized version of the diet with all these
> illnesses.
Krohn's is associated with DQB1*0303 and I think it has some
different triggering factors. I am trying to gather some data up
on this but apparently DQB1*0303, which his high in Japan, and
may have some association with other grains. I have an
outstanding number of MG patients with *0303 so there are likely
environmental triggers and secondary allergies and autoimmunity
associated with those triggers. In Japan early onset female
Myastenia Gravis is associated with DQA1*0303 and DPB1*0201.
I have heard buckwheat mentioned.
In fact my whole investigation of HLA types and desire to do
alpha typing began because of the strange number of *0303's. The
demography of *0303 is very interesting.
> In my grandfather's text book written in 1950, (internal
> medicine, physical diagnosis, Dr. R.H. Kampmeier), there is
> no mention of any of these diseases. These diseases are all
> based on the influx of processed foods, trans fats and
> processed sugar in the diet. I found that very interesting
> how much disease could change in 50 years. Most of the
> diseases in his book are very uncommon now (such as goiter
> and polio). In 1950, processed foods were just starting to
> be invented. Most people weighed a lot less and ate mostly
> fresh or canned foods. I had to find an overweight male for
> a drawing I was making and checked his book. There was only
> one person in the entire book (photos of various patients)
> that was overweight. By today's standards, he would have
> been about average. The rest were thin.
> Regarding the blood tests. I did have one of my children
> tested because she had some of the physical symtoms, and it
> appears she will develop the illness, although it hasn't
> presented too much as yet.
Get everyone in your family DQ typed, seriously. anti-gliadin
activity can switch anytime this has been established, DQ type
is from conception to death it doesn't change. DQ type is the
single biggest predictor from birth on whether an individual
will get CD other than having a parent or relative with CD.
Secondarily the insurance companies cannot bump your rates
because of your DQ type, so if you have the DQ type, and you
show signs of CD you can adjust your diet and your doctors and
insurance companies never need to know. In addition, there is
the privacy act that now protects your personal medical
information.
Or let me put it like this. If you have DQ2.5 or DQ3.2, if you
have IBD or EG (or a high proportion of the symptoms), and if
you have a family member with CD, IBD or EG as above, there is
an 85% chance you have CD. Very simple.
> My father is a type 1 diabetic, which you probably know is
> tied to CD.
> I believe my sister probably also has it (she has some of
> the
> physical symtpoms-- very light muscling, dark allergy eyes,
> pale complexion even with darker skin, etc.), but nobody
> wants to get tested, so they didn't.
Testing involves this:
Citrate vacutaner blood draw. 2 minutes.
DNA miniprep
PCR.
> I sent them a packet
> on it to read about and everyone declared they were just
> fine.
30% of people with CD or SC-CD will have another autoimmune
disease (from the list already identified)
~60% of people with CD or SC-CD will have another autoimmune
disease in their lifetime. A significant number will die from
complications associated with those diseases.
> My mother has terrible problems with allergies, and
> knows she has a wheat allergy, but insists she's not a
> celiac.
Stubborn, huh.
> One must be very careful about the testing. I don't
> people to do it because it tripled my medical insurance
> costs and one company refused to even insure me at all. I
> think, if you suspect it, based on the symptoms, then it is
> best to try the diet and see if it helps. If you are a
> celiac the difference will be immediate.
DQ type only requires a blood draw on citrate vacutainer, 15
seconds. No the reason you want to be typed is quite simple, you
can intervene before the wheat does damage.
People who have subclinical CD are just as much as risk as
people who have clinical CD.
Here is a list of diseases you can get if you are subclinical CD
(subclinical means without any obvious clinical manifestations)
1. Sturge Weber syndrome - senile dementia with the prospect of
having epileptic seizure, in one italian study 100% of patients
either were CD or SC-CD. Shunts can be used to treat this, but
they often fail.
2. Type I diabetes. as you mentioned.
3. Thyroid disease and graves disease.
4. Antimitochondrial disease. From what I understand all AMD are
CD or SC-CD.
5. Systemic Lupus.
6. Rheumatoid Arthritus.
7. Adreno Cortical Failure
8. Chronic Fatique syndrome.
9. Mulitple schlerosis
10. Probably AChR- myastenia gravis.
If you are tested and some time later you come down with one of
these at least you know, stop wheat early and they may go away.
But if you don't test and you come down with one of these you
may suffer for years, or even loose your mind. I should repeat
that there is strong neurological component to CD, some of it
stems from depression and autoimmune disease (known) but not all
fall into known catagories, there could be subclinical problems
as a result of other unknown autoimmune diseases. For example if
S-W is caught early, 85% can remiss, but if it is caught late,
you either need a shunt or if that doesn't work your brain will
shrink until you are an invalid.
> Regarding the bloating you described having. I did not have
> that problem, nor the weight swings you report. My weight
> loss was 8 pounds total. I weigh now what I weighed in high
> school. I remain very active, but it took about 2 years to
> get well as the support group said it would. I would
> suspect you could add back some of foods you've sworn off
> without too much a problem, as long as you don't eat a lot
> of them (milk, chicken). It may be other things in the
> chicken (sauces, chemicals in processing, MSG, soy sauce
> which has wheat, etc.)
As you say we cook everything from scratch. No I am OK right
now, chicken is convinient but I can eat turkey also.
> sweetened with corn syrup, too. I think it is possible to
> completely elimnate the symtoms, but it is difficult
> because everyone is different-- as you said, all the
> secondary food allergies.
NO, actually I am off corn and rice for the time being. My
problems stems currently from the fact that I was forced to take
antibiotics and they are tearing the hell out of my stomach.
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