Re: New book identifies Ireland as Atlantis
From: Philip Deitiker (Donevenask_at_worlnet.att.net)
Date: 08/08/04
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 17:04:35 GMT
geraldkelleher@hotmail.com (Oriel36) says in
news:273f8e06.0408080727.18219f3b@posting.google.com:
> http://www.metrum.org/measures/measurements.htm
>
> In short,the insecurity of contemporaries is more
> bewildering than any investigation into the great
> innovations emerging from remote antiquity and their
> appearance in various parts of the world.Scholars who like
> to keep our ancestors 'primitive' are more inclined to
> ignore what does'nt fit the historical/scientific
> trajectory we receive in textbooks even as most people now
> appreceate places like Newgrange and the Pyramids.
Well at least the molecular genetic evidence will not disagree
with you. During the period of the last ice age it appears the
protoIrish were an isolated group, leading to the relative
expansion of the super-B8 haplotype. Its later expansion in
europe indicates that the protoIrish/Cornish lines were very
successful. About 2/3rds of the Norse haplotypes are derived
from the Irish Cornish cluster, and there is the expansion of
this cluster into places in europe were the Norse historically
did not appear to go, and in particular places that now appear
by bone samples to have been bidirectional exchange with the
Ilses. In fact a sizable portion of the haplotypes in france,
close to 1/3rd can be seen as the expansion of protoIrish
haplotypes, probably after the end of the last ice age. Given
the constriction the expansion of such an isolated group to both
scandinavia and into europe is a little bit surprising since the
basque would have been better suited for such expansions. They
did, in fact expand, but limited to clusters along the european
coast and czechoslovakia.
So it appears that the protoIrish culture while reduced in
size during the past has had a rather heafty expansion. In fact,
one of the most common haplotypes in the world, the super B8 is
of protoIrish origin as well as a couple of other common types.
As mentioned in other threads the super b8 is a risk factor
for CD and grain intolerance, so since the original expansion it
probably has been under negative selection. Whereas there has
been the argument that phonecians and greeks settled Ireland;
however examination of the HLA data suggest one traces of
migrants came to Ireland, the vast majority of immigration has
been outward not inward.
In addition Ireland had a fairly advanced political system for
its time, and this was probably tuned by the voyages and
attempts to invade from outside. In order for the Irish to
accomplish their migrations I suspect they had to be familiar
with and masters of maritime activities.
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