Re: The Mechanism of Gliadin Intolerance.

From: Texas rider (grosvenr_at_bga.com)
Date: 08/09/04 

Date: 9 Aug 2004 16:55:55 -0700

Are you saying
> > that almost all of them are dependent on wheat intake?
>
> Some disease are dependent, however, for most, wheat is a
> risk factor, increasing the probability one will get that
> disease.

I have heard people with other autoimmune diseases and vague GI
problems say this. Usually, though, they will try going off it for
awhile, but it is hard to do it, and since they aren't sure if it
really mattered or not, they go back on it. I do not think they are
being told to stay away from wheat by their doctors, but have just
found this out by trial and error or reading about different diets and
trying it.
>
> > Next question. How do you get people to actually stop
> > eating wheat? I feel like it is going to be next to
> > impossible to get my family to do that, since I've already
> > tried once. It seems the only way someone will do it is to
> > become very ill. What are you doing about this?
>
> How did you stop. You got real sick and you had little other
> choice.

In my case, I was getting worse everyday, and nothing was working and
I knew I better figure it out pretty fast or I was going to die,
sooner rather than later. But, I'm now talking about people like my
family members who say they don't feel bad, but complain of things
that may (or may not) be related. I made them aware of it once, and
they all felt like I'd accused them all of some wrongdoing, so I've
said no more about it. However, the original research I read put them
at risk by about 15%. Your figures were so much higher, that it sounds
like I need to try one more time. I've also had very bad luck with my
own children regarding this. The one daughter I didn't test is
probably tne only one that might actually read all this and do it.
She's a BIMS major at TAMU, so she'd probably understand it better,
too.

ONe thing to remember is that not all the secondary
> diseases reverse, in 15% or so of these the effects are
> irreversible, with the Sturge-Weber, the senility does not
> reverse if it has been long term, damage has been permanently
> done.

At what age would this come on, and how would it differ from
Alzheimer's or dementia resulting from strokes? I had not heard of
this before. Is it a very common condition?

There is also one other disease I failed to mention,
> leukemia can be the result of constant white cell stimulation,
> this is also irreversible with wheat restriction. The deal is if
> they know the warning signs they can stop as soon as these
> become apparent. However if you are subclinical CD and you live
> to be 65 or 70 years, you can come about with leukemia with no
> warning signs whatsoever. Leukemia not being do to the gliadin
> directly but the from the constant stimulation of lymphocytes
> and of the same lymphocytes, eventually there are errors in the
> replication and a single lymphocyte can multiply without
> restriction.

What warning signs are you talking about that people should be looking
for?
>
> > She
> > married a young chief named Peta Nacona and gave birth to
> > three children. This was extremely unusual for the
> > Comanches, who had a very low birth rate. Her husband did
> > not take another wife, as was customary, since she bore
> > three children. I know that infertility and problem
> > pregnancies is also a problem with CD, so that may give you
> > a little clue to go on. I thought it interesting. Quanah
> > had a sister named Prairie Flower, who later became ill and
> > died when she and his mother were captured and taken to
> > East Texas to live by the Parker clan. The book does not
> > say why she died, but I found that interesting in light of
> > your letter.
>
> The comanches however did not cosume much flour until after
> being sent to reservations. They lived on indian corn and native
> foods. I tend not to want to read stuff in where it does not
> belong, I think the bigger problem I see are in tell tale signs
> of many hispanic. Many have frankly told me they can't eat bread
> or flour tortillas any more becuase of the bloating problem.

Don't know about that, so can't comment. I have noticed that as a
general group, they seem to be shorter than most caucasians or blacks.
Also, often heavier. We live in an area with a lot of illegals that
grew up in Mexico and live and work here on neighboring ranches. In
discussions with a few of them, I had assumed the fact that they were
so short was probably because they grew up in such horrible conditions
in grave poverty. Very few of the men are over about 5'6" tall. Is
that common in the people you see? The Hispanics that I know who are
citizens and living in much better conditions are usually bigger than
these guys, but not as tall as other ethnic groups.
>
> We have a local expert, here, on the Comanche, lol. I know at
> least three people who claim comanche ancestry all of them are
> from south or West Texas.

Makes sense.

 One is part of the gliadin study.
> The problem with DQ8 is it is found everywhere in native
> americans and not particularly restricted to one group.

By the
> 1800s the comanche had pick up many peoples and some of these
> may have taken off and tried to blend into the mexican
> population after 1875.

Based on the fact that they could travel far and fast for the time,
and did travel into Mexico, it is not surprising. When I was in
college in Tucson, I remember an awful of people of mixed heritage
there.

 Thus I think it is real hard to know if
> the individual was comanche or someone who was with the comanche
> for a few years and then when times got tough for the comanche,
> manage to separate themselves. There were also apache that
> traveled from the reservations in New Mexico to mexico. But my
> particular ancestor came from a part of Texas, where before
> 1875, comanche were very populus. This all being circumstantial
> of course, I actually know very little except what a few old
> folks told me.

Sounds like it would be very hard to find out much about your
ancestors from what you've said. Do you know if many of the Comanche
were left behind after 1875 (off the reservations?) Where did she
come from? I can forward your question on to the historian on the Fort
project if you'd like.

CG
>

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