Re: KRS - Possible news to come

From: Alan Crozier (alan.not.crazier_at_telia.com)
Date: 09/08/04 

Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:12:25 GMT

"Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Alan Crozier" <alan.not.crazier@telia.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> > "Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote in message
> > news:UAp%c.2619$d5.20270@newsb.telia.net...
> > >
> > > David B definitely has missed it all. Sad case. There were Grey Friars
> as
> > > well as many other in the 'home' area of King Magnus Eriksson in mid
> 14th
> > > century who used abrevation AV for Ave and M for Mary(but also for
> > > Magdalena). Since that abrevation existed before 14th century as well,
> and
> > > since the phrase 'fraeaeelse af illum' only existed in southern Sweden
> and
> > > then only during the Black Death period
> >
> > Are you saying that a phrase meaning "deliver from evil(s)", so well
known
> > to Christians through all the ages from the Lord's Prayer, could only
have
> > been used during the Black Death? I don't suppose you have a source for
> that
> > claim?
>
> The phrase you use is an English version to which I have no knowledge when
> it first occured

You have obviously never read the Bible or gone to church. The Lord's Prayer
can be found in the Gospel of Matthew, this phrase in chapter 6, verse 13.
It's quite old, in other words, and not totally unknown to Christians.
People have been saying "Deliver/Save us from evil/evils/the evil one" for
nearly two thousand years, not just during the Black Death. The Icelandic
Bible has: frelsa oss frá illu

> As you probably know 'illum' is one of the disputed words among
linguists -
> but not disputed by todays scholars of History or Religion here in Sweden
to
> have existed in mid 14th century. I take it that you haven't been reading
> the excellent works about the Black Death that's been edited the last
years?

Published (=utgiven), not edited (=redigerad). Will you never learn? And
instead of bluffing, can you state an exact reference to a real scholar with
linguistic compeetence who has said that "illum" could only have been used
during the Black Death? It's a perfectly normal dative form which goes back
much further (look in an Old Norse dictionary). No problem for a late
nineteenth-century forger.

Alan 

-- 
Alan Crozier
Lund
Sweden

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