Re: Knights Templar still active in Hertfordshire?

From: Philip Deitiker (Donevenask_at_worlnet.att.net)
Date: 09/18/04 

Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:18:53 GMT

www_insider_org@postmaster.co.uk (Alert) says in
news:5b022599.0409180915.4d8d7552@posting.google.com:

> Illuminati member tracked-down by local newspaper!
>
> From this week's Hertfordshire Mercury newspaper (UK):
>
>
> Town may be a base for secret society
>
> A SINISTER secret society said to control the world's
> governments has members living in Hertford, according to a
> documentary to be aired on Sky One next week.

Can I ask you a basic question. When your neighbor hangs up his
sheets to dry do you go about looking for secret spots on them,
hoping to find evidence of a secret consumation in his secret
bedroom with his/her secret lovers. Its far less interesting
when you watch dogs do it, but it is the same act. Do you
inspect your neighbors undergarments as they hang? Do you loiter
over his trashcan? If you want to know what your neighbor is up
to, simply go to his front door and make his acqaintance.
 
> The Mercury can exclusively reveal that it will claim the
> mysterious sect, the Illuminati, rumoured to involve
> bankers, power brokers and politicians, may have an
> underground base in the town.
>
> Formed in Bavaria in 1776,

The Templar Knights formed in France in 11th century.
The illuminati are dervied from Adam Weishaupt who began
planning a group to challenge authoritarian Catholic actions in
1775, the group (under a different name) was announced on May 1,
1776. This group evolved into the Illuminati.

> the group's high-powered members
> are said to include George W Bush

He is not an illuminati, GWB professes evangilical
christianity. He is a self proclaimed born again christian.

> and his presidential
> rival John Kerry, who joined Yale University's Skull and
> Bones club, a branch of the sect.

Templar were disbanded by bull in 1309.
 
> Conspiracy theorists claim that the society is "bent on
> world domination" in a shadowy behind-the-scenes bid to
> control us.

Really? Kind of hard for a groups scattered to the 4 winds by
the HRC.
 
> As part of Sky's series on conspiracy theories, journalist
> Danny Wilson met with Hertford man and insider Tim Acheson,
> in a bid to meet an Illuminatus.

lol.
 
> Tim belongs to a high-ranking family in the Knights
> Templar, a powerful society of warrior monks which dates
> back to the Crusades - and who still meet at a secret
> location in the town.

The crusades occurred slightly before 1776. Try the 11th through
13th century.
 
> But he denied a link with former US Secretary of State Dean
> Acheson, a well-known Templar, who was in President Harry S
> Truman's inner circle during the 1950s.
 
> Cryptically, he told the Mercury: "I cannot talk about my
> family connections. The older members of secret societies
> want to keep them secret, whereas some of the new blood is
> a bit more open.
>
> "I do know two members of the Illuminati who live here, but
> I must protect their identities.
>
> "There are powerful and dangerous forces at work here and I
> cannot risk getting on the wrong side of them."

What is cryptic about this.
 
> The Mercury was given a sneak preview of The Illuminati -
> Our Secret Masters, which will be aired on Sky One next
> Thursday at 9pm.
>
> Tim, a reporter for conspiracy theory website
> www.theinsider.org, is seen driving through Bull Plain,
> Fore Street, Railway Street and St Andrew Street in
> Hertford with the TV presenter.

Are they having a cryptic affair?
 
> They drive to a deserted industrial estate near the town
> and wait for the shadowy figure to turn up

Must not have been a cloudy day.

>- but Wilson
> begins to think that he's been led on a wild goose chase.

> Finally Tim returns to say his contact has "got cold feet"
> and backed off meeting the press.

So we have a cold not so shadowy day in september.
 
> Speaking to the Mercury this week, Tim said: "It is very
> difficult to get them to reveal themselves, as you can
> understand, but I hope that it may happen at a later date."

Yes, if you willingly belong to any secret society and you want
it to remain so, revealing yourself defeats the purpose.
 
> And he promised to reveal more of Hertford's hidden
> secrets. He said: "Hertford is very important as a centre
> of mystery and intrigue, more than most people realise."

Somebodies got a good advertiser, is he related to Inger?
 
> Next week's programme is one in a four-part series on
> conspiracy theories showing every Thursday in September.

Nice. Conspiracy theories/theorist on a schedule.
 
> Picture caption: Secret past? Egyptian House in Fore
> Street, now home to Lussmans Eatery, is believed to have
> been a meeting place of secret society the Knights Templar
> of Aquarius.

Who? A self proclaimed secret societies from the 40 and 50's
 
> Holy Grail: is it here?
>
> ROYSTON Cave may hold the key in the search for the Holy
> Grail, the famous quest for Christ's chalice dating back to
> Biblical times.

Huh?

I tell you what the English would lay claim to the moon if the
could find a way to fix its position in the sky. They lay claim
to masonry even though the oldest lodges appear to be in
Scotland and those founders appear to have come from france,
they lay claim to the Templar even though the Edward II at the
time prevented them from fleeing to England and they appear only
have gotten safe passage to the Ilse because their rival Robert
d'Bruce was in conflict with Edward and the 'anglical' version
of the HRC. Now we got some kook who is laying the claim to the
Illuminati.

http://www.ordotempli.org/the_ancient_order.htm
"
In England, Edward II did not take immediate action against the
Order, but finally, in 1314, he permitted the Inquisitors to
judge the Order at the Church of All Hallows By-the-Tower.
Edward then set about seizing the Templar lands and possessions,
including the Temple in London, for himself rather than passing
them on to the nominated custodians, the Knights of Saint John.
"

  The world was not invented by England, up until about the 15th
century England was ***-wipe on the face of the civilized
world. Even from a religious perspective Ireland was more
developed relative to England in the 15th century.
  The holey grail was supposed to have been, by legend, not
fact' taken from the holey land by the Knights Templars. If they
did as such it did not end up in England, but likely in France
or Scotland

Let me repeat this again so that it is clear.

The Crusades: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

I"n 1009, Hakem, the Fatimite Caliph of Egypt, in a fit of
madness ordered the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre and all
the Christian establishments in Jerusalem. For years thereafter
Christians were cruelly persecuted. (See the recital of an
eyewitness, Iahja of Antioch, in Schlumberger's "Epopée
byzantine", II, 442.) In 1027 the Frankish protectorate was
overthrown and replaced by that of the Byzantine emperors, to
whose diplomacy was due the reconstruction of the Holy
Sepulchre. The Christian quarter was even surrounded by a wall,
and some Amalfi merchants, vassals of the Greek emperors, built
hospices in Jerusalem for pilgrims, e.g. the Hospital of St.
John, cradle of the Order of Hospitallers."
 I"n 1073 letters were exchanged on the subject between Michael
VII and Gregory VII. The pope seriously contemplated leading a
force of 50,000 men to the East in order to re-establish
Christian unity, repulse the Turks, and rescue the Holy
Sepulchre. But the idea of the crusade constituted only a part
of this magnificent plan."
 "On 27 November [1095], the pope himself addressed the
assembled multitudes, exhorting them to go forth and rescue the
Holy Sepulchre."

It has been customary to describe the Crusades as eight in
number:

  1st- 1095-1101;
  2nd- 1145-1147; Louis VII
  3rd- 1188-1192; Philip Augustus and Richard Coeur-de-Lion,
  4th- 1204 (loss of constantinple)
  5th- 1207
  6th- 1228-1239; Frederick II, Thibaud de Champagne
                  Richard of Cornwall
  7th- 1249-1252 St. Louis
  8th- 1270 St. Louis

Enough Background.

The Knights Templars
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

 "In 1118, during the reign of Baldwin II, Hugues de Payens, a
knight of Champagne, and eight companions bound themselves by a
perpetual vow, taken in the presence of the Patriarch of
Jerusalem, to defend the Christian kingdom. Baldwin accepted
their services and assigned them a portion of his palace,
adjoining the temple of the city; hence their title "pauvres
chevaliers du temple" (Poor Knights of the Temple). Poor indeed
they were, being reduced to living on alms,"

Also: "The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of
Solomon"

Since the Templar are of independent vow they answer only to the
papal authority. "The popes took them under their immediate
protection, exempting them from all other jurisdiction,
episcopal or secular."

"At the Council of Troyes (1128), at which he assisted and at
which St. Bernard was the leading spirit, the Knights Templars
adopted the Rule of St. Benedict"
1. Cenobites, monastery de abbot
2. Qualification and behavior of abbot.
3. Calling of council for important matters.
4. instruments of good [christian] works
5. humility in prompt, cheerful, and absolute obedience to the
   superior in all things lawful
6. moderation in the use of speech
7. 12 degrees of humility, God's will, limit Free will, Will of
   superior, obedience in hard and difficult matters, humility
   in faults,
8-18. Canonical Hours.
19. reverence
20. Humility in open prayer.
21-73. Rules regarding daily life of Monks.

" At the siege of Safed (1264), at which ninety Templars met
death, eighty others were taken prisoners, and, refusing to deny
Christ, died martyrs to the Faith."

The betrayal of the Templar.

 As the templar became more powerful (their collection of alms
for protection was a source of income that grew steadily and
without taxation their estates became large), other groups like
the Order of the Hospitalers, who had their own military
adjuncts were now trying to compete for Templar revenue. By the
late 13th century the Templars had developed enough power and
political control to control Jeruselums feable government, and
this further alienated them from other Orders. This internal
conflict weakened the defenses of Jeruselem.
  
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08361a.htm
  "
  After the Sicilian Vespers (1282), which ruined the projects
of Charles of Anjou, the inhabitants of Acre expelled his
seneschal and proclaimed Henry II of Cyprus (15 August, 1286)
their king. But at this time the remnants of the Christian
possessions were hard pressed by the Mamelukes. On 5 April,
1291, the Sultan Malek-Aschraf appeared before Saint-Jean d'Acre
and, despite the courage of its defenders, the city was taken by
storm on 28 May. The Kingdom of Jerusalem no longer existed, and
none of the expeditions of the fourteenth century succeeded in
re-establishing it.
"
The templars were amoung the last to retreat, and they retreated
to France via Cyprus. But because the Templar had become wealthy
and because they had failed to retain jeruselum the papal
authorities began to look at them as treachors and greedy.

"
To put an end to this baneful rivalry between the military
orders, there was a very simple remedy at hand, namely their
amalgamation. This was officially proposed by St. Louis at the
Council of Lyons (1274). It was proposed anew in 1293 by Pope
Nicholas IV, who called a general consultation on this point of
the Christian states. This idea is canvassed by all the
publicists of that time, who demand either a fusion of the
existing orders or the creation of a third order to supplant
them. Never in fact had the question of the crusaders been more
eagerly taken up than after their failure. As the grandson of
St. Louis, Philip the Fair could not remain indifferent to these
proposals for a crusade. As the most powerful prince of his
time, the direction of the movement belonged to him. To assume
this direction, all he demanded was the necesary supplies of men
and especially of money."

Correction, Philip had already taken money from the Templars as
he was in control of the Order of St. John which controlled the
Templar holdings, he had borrowed the money but did not have the
means to pay it back.

" Such is the genesis of his campaign for the suppression of the
Templars. It has been attributed wholly to his well-known
cupidity. Even on this supposition he needed a pretext, for he
could not, without sacrilege, lay hands on possessions that
formed part of the ecclesiastical domain. To justify such a
course the sanction of the Church was necessary, and this the
king could obtain only by maintaining the sacred purpose for
which the possessions were destined. Admitting that he was
sufficiently powerful to encroach upon the property of the
Templars in France, he still needed the concurrence of the
Church to secure control of their possessions in the other
countries of Christendom. Such was the purpose of the wily
negotiations of this self-willed and cunning sovereign, and of
his still more treacherous counsellors, with Clement V, a French
pope of weak character and easily deceived. The rumour that
there had been a prearrangement between the king and the pope
has been finally disposed of. A doubtful revelation, which
allowed Philip to make the prosecution of the Templars as
heretics a question of orthodoxy, afforded him the opportunity
which he desired to invoke the action of the Holy See.
"

The above is taken from the New Advent Encyclopedia of the Holy
Roman Catholic Church. IOW it is an admission in their guilt in
the demise of the Templar.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

The final betrayal

"
The royal commission

Philip the Fair made a preliminary inquiry, and, on the strength
of so-called revelations of a few unworthy and degraded members,
secret orders were sent throughout France to arrest all the
Templars on the same day (13 October, 1307), and to submit them
to a most rigorous examination. The king did this, it was made
to appear, at the request of the ecclesiastical inquisitors, but
in reality without their co-operation.

In this inquiry torture, the use of which was authorized by the
cruel procedure of the age in the case of crimes committed
without witnesses, was pitilessly employed. Owing to the lack of
evidence, the accused could be convicted only through their own
confession and, to extort this confession, the use of torture
was considered necessary and legitimate.
"

It should be noted that in most european countries the Templars
were found innocent or wrong doing, except in King Philip's
France, in which it would be heresy to say otherwise.

"
Only those who persisted in heresy were to be turned over to the
secular arm, but, by a rigid interpretation of this provision,
those who had withdrawn their former confessions were considered
relapsed heretics; thus fifty-four Templars who had recanted
after having confessed were condemned as relapsed and publicly
burned on 12 May, 1310. Subsequently all the other Templars, who
had been examined at the trial, with very few exceptions
declared themselves guilty.
"

The Papal Inquisition and the Destruction of the Order.

"
At the same time the papal commission, appointed to examine the
cause of the order, had entered upon its duties and gathered
together the documents which were to be submitted to the pope,
and to the general council called to decide as to the final fate
of the order. The culpability of single persons, which was
looked upon as established, did not involve the guilt of the
order. Although the defense of the order was poorly conducted,
it could not be proved that the order as a body professed any
heretical doctrine, or that a secret rule, distinct from the
official rule, was practised. Consequently, at the General
Council of Vienne in Dauphiné on 16 October, 1311, the majority
were favourable to the maintenance of the order.

The pope, irresolute and harrassed, finally adopted a middle
course: he decreed the dissolution, not the condemnation of the
order, and not by penal sentence, but by an Apostolic Decree
(Bull of 22 March, 1312). The order having been suppressed, the
pope himself was to decide as to the fate of its members and the
disposal of its possessions. As to the property, it was turned
over to the rival Order of Hospitallers to be applied to its
original use, namely the defence of the Holy Places. In
Portugal, however, and in Aragon the possessions were vested in
two new orders, the Order of Christ in Portugal and the Order of
Montesa in Aragon.
"

However, becuase of the power of the Orders Grand Master Jacques
de Molay who would have, if lived, undermined the Authority of
King Philip was forced to make a public confession of additional
crimes. Having been betrayed by his only credible supervisor,
the Pope himself. Jacques de Molai and another were burned at
the stake 42 other Templar who refused to confess to the King of
France preceded him. Many of the Order migrated into the Order
of Hospitalers. The King wanted De Molay dead and he and his
order so powerless that they could never undermine what he had
done. Becareful what you wish for.

"
On March 19th, 1314 the last Grand Master of the Knights
Templar, Jacques de Molay was burned at the stake. De Molay is
said to have cursed King Philip and Pope Clement, as he burned,
asking both men to join him within a year. Whether he actually
uttered the curse or if it is simply an apocryphal tale; what
remains as fact is that Clement died only one month later and
Philip IV seven months after that.
"

In france the Templar that recanted early and joined the order
of Hospitalers eventually become a suborder within the
Hospitalers "Secular Military Order of Chivalry".

However This order claims to have a direct political link to de
Molay invested one of his loyal followers
"Larmenius was unanimously recognised as the new Grand Master
following de Molay’s death. He gathered together the dispersed
remnants of the Order and in 1324 gave the Order the Charter of
Transmission. This Charter is still one of the governing
documents of the modern Order.

The Order continued in secret with an uninterrupted line of
Grand Masters until 1705. In March of that year a number of
French nobles held a convention of Templars at Versailles. They
elected Philip, Duke of Orleans, later Regent of France, as the
Order’s 41st Grand Master. Thus as Regent of France and Grand
Master of the Temple it provided an official renewal and
legitimisation of the Order of the Temple as a Secular Military
Order of Chivalry.
"

This is that order.
http://www.ordotempli.org/the_ancient_order.htm

The so-called Templar in England ussually claim affiliation with
the French organization, whereas the Masonic claim affiliation
with the scottish "ex-Templar". It should be noted that this
organization is recognized as

http://www.grandlodgescotland.com/glos/site_map.html

amd this differs from the organization of the Scottish Rite in
the American Blue Lodge, which has a degree involving the Order
of the Templar.
  These two groups do not recognize each other degrees

http://www.grandlodgescotland.com/glos/GL/aims.html

 or do either recognize the degrees of the Secular Military
Order of Chivalry.

You can add the this the Order of Teutonic Knights.

So there goes the grand world order.

Now given the fact the order of Templar was dissolved by Royal
Bull, and it no longer exists. Anyone, you or I can claim to
have a Knight Templar organization and we can create a credos
that loosely follows the 'Crudaders vow'and the Benadicting
Rules. You can basturdize that in any direction. However unless
it is a catholic order and unless you get the Pope to reverse
the previous bull, that order remains dead to rights.
  The other organizations may be branches of heretical
individuals, I suspect the scottish orgnaization is and the
masons have borrowed from many organizations comparable notions.
This does not reinvent the Knight Templar per say it just means
that a number of *** offspring of the Order popped up
afterward that have raised hell with the organization that
created the first order and later took their goodies. As a
matter of fact the organization, the HRC after 700 years still
is not convinced as to its rite in destroying the order. Should
they decide that they were wrong, the pope may issue a decree
reversing the bull and the Order could return to its legitimate
existance and all these other organization would have nothing to
do with it, because, in secrecy they are promoted hereticism of
the church. Some of these organization even promoted
protestation of the church and aided the ascension of rival
religious organizations.

But if you have a grand desire to know the secrets of the
Templar and know who is in the secret society of psuedo-Templars
is

http://www.ordotempli.org/admissions.htm

So much for the secret order.
[If this does not live up to your expectation of a grand world
controlling order, don't blame me] 

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