Re: Another Moonie Deception, Noahs Ark Symbolical; make that *global* vs *local*

From: Josef Oswald (J.Oswald_at_pure_joy_gods.love)
Date: 09/26/04 

Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:03 GMT

the person claiming to be: Martyn Harrison in:
alt.religion.unification <Earth-Date>: 2004-09-26
<7mrdl0hfqia2eku1p2a0j16sagf4lkeaij@4ax.com> surprised everybody:

> Apparently on date Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:59:43 GMT, Josef Oswald
><J.Oswald@pure_joy_gods.love> said:
>
>>"A Person claiming to be" : Gordon Muir announced to the
>>awestruck audience on 25 Sep 2004 11:28:30 -0700:
>>
>>> but this moonie follower is talking to Noah like it really happened
>>> and was true,THIS MAKES ME SUSPICIOUS OF THE TRUTH OF THE WHOLE
>>
>>If it was locally yes, as this Noah does not tell how he collected _all_
>>animals from the whole world, because as Gordon points out it would be
>>impossible to collect animals from all _over_ the world. Yet a local
>>flood was very much likely. ( Do we really know how much the biblical
>>writers added to the story ?)
>
> I would judge that most sci.arch readers are of the opinion that the Noah story
> is a retelling of a prolific tale originating in Mesopotamia about a river
> flood, the tale itself evolving over the centuries.
>
> It's hard not to see obvious similarities in phrases / storyline between the
> various versions of the flood story, and it traces back to the earliest
> literature in that sense (e.g.
> http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/tab11.htm not that I
> warrant this specific website is accurate as such...)
>
> For all I know the Moonies might want to believe the old testament is older
> than all other early literature, but that's an ark that doesn't float well

First thanks for your reply :-)

I don't know for sure if this is so important to us.
I believe (this is the official doctrine of the UM) that God revealed
himself to people all over the world, not only to the Jews.

If the Bible _as_ a _written_ book is older or younger then other
written sources does not make so much a difference to me.
I am more concerned about how _much_ truth is found it.
What I am saying is that the Jews had a oral tradition that was passed
on from generation to generation.

I am certainly no expert on the Jewish believes in the OT, but if remember
correctly in the OT is nothing about life after death, yet in the gospels
we find that St.Paul (Acts 23:5-7) he stirred up a division among his
accusers because he cleverly defended himself by saying " I am standing
here accused because of my believe in the resurrection of the death" an idea
which was not accepted by _all_ Jew's at that time. This idea the Jews
brought with them when they returned from their captivity in Babylon.

My point: the Jews were influenced by religions of the people surrounding
them, and for long time many prophets spoke out against it.

> considering the "history" in the OT claims that the Jews were still slaves in
> Egypt when Egypt clearly had the ability to keep records.
>
>
>
> http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/sa/SAIRC/1997/50.html

 
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