Re: Rats! (Re: Kaimanawa Wall once again...
From: NancyB (n.beavan_at_gns.cri-dot-nz.no-spam.invalid)
Date: 10/15/04
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Date: 14 Oct 2004 20:26:28 -0500
> Georgewrote:
n.beavan@gns.cri-dot-nz.no-spam.invalid (NancyB) wrote in message
news:<416d8f5f$1_1@127.0.0.1>...
> Yuri Kuchinskywrote:
> Yuri Kuchinskywrote:
In sci.archaeology Jim Purdie
> jimpurdie@paradise.net.nz> wrote
> in article <lQKad.7619$mZ2.661241@news02.tsnz.net>:
>
> : "pwilson" <pwilson78@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:7TGad.308681$%n4.37935@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> :> Jim Purdie jimpurdie@paradise.net.nz wrote:
> :
> :> [...]
> :> >He is convinced that Polynesia was settled from America,
> in
> :> >contradiction of all recognised expertise, and he has
been
> saying
> so,
> :> >and ignoring all argument on the subject, for many years.
> :
> :> The question of settlement of Polynesia (Easter Island in
> particular) has
> :> not been settled to my satisfaction by any of the "recognised
> expertise".
> :> I am here to see the opposing views presented in a fair and
> open
> forum so
> :> that I may weigh the available evidence and determine the
> most
> rational
> :> alternative. The ritualistic shouting down of one of those
> opposing
> :> views is not consistent with that objective.
> :
>
> : If you are looking for a fair and open forum you are in the wrong
> : place. You might do better to read the recognised journals on the
> : subject. Do you really imagine that what is said here is in any
> way a
> : serious discussion of any subject at all, or that there is any
> : 'evidence' presented by such as Yuri Kuchinsky?
>
> How about those 2000 year old rats?
>
> Is that not evidence enough for you?
>
> Oh Yuri, PLEASE don't get the 2000 year old rats involved in
this!!!!!
> PLEASE????? They have nothing to do
> with settlement, and certainly not ancient masons / geologic
> phenomena -- c'mon, be a mate! :)
>
No Yuri. You go right ahead and get Nancy Bevan to explain as to
where
1200 years of presettlement rat bone and traces of the rat predation
went to......[/quote:678a7af28d]
As popular magazine articles the amateurs rely upon leave a lot to be
desired when you want hard information and balanced, scientific
reporting, yeah Yuri, I could send you the
peer reviewed
articles on where 1200 yrs of
presettlement rat bone and traces of the rat predation went to (
it'll be a big pkg though - what's your mailing address?)
Beavan Athfield, N. IN PRESS. Reliability of 14C AMS dating of rat and
bird bone: Implications for the timing of New Zealand Holocene
vertebrate extinctions. In 14C and Archaeology: Proceedings of the
Fourth Symposium, Oxford. Oxbow Books: Oxford, England.
Holdaway, R.N.; Roberts, R.G.; Beavan Athfield, N.R. ; Olley, J.M.;
Worthy, T.H. 2002 Optical dating of quartz sediments and accelerator
mass spectrometry 14C dating of bone gelatin and moa eggshell : a
comparison of age estimates for non-archaeological deposits in New
Zealand. Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand, 32(3): 463-505
Beavan-Athfield N, B. McFadgen, and R. Sparks (2001) Radiocarbon age
variation in bone and tissue from variable dietary effects. In:
Proceedings of the 17th Australasian Archaeometry Conference,
Auckland, New Zealand. Research Papers in Anthropology and
Linguistics, Series ISBN0-9583686-0-0: pp 31-44
Beavan-Athfield N., Sparks R.J. 2001. Dating of Rattus exulans bone
from Pleasant River (Otago, New Zealand): testing the effect of
burial contamination. Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand,
31 (4).
Beavan-Athfield N.R., Sparks R.J. 2001. Dating of Rattus exulans and
bird bone from Pleasant River (Otago, New Zealand): radiocarbon
anomalies from diet. Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand, 31
(4).
Beavan-Athfield N., McFadgen B.G., Sparks R.J. 2001. Environmental
influences on dietary carbon and 14C ages in rats and other species.
Radiocarbon, 43 (1): 7-14.
Beavan-Athfield N., McFadgen B.G., Sparks R.J. 1999. Reliability of
bone gelatin AMS dating: Rattus exulans and marine shell radiocarbon
dates from Pauatahanui midden sites in Wellington, New Zealand.
Radiocarbon, 41 (2): 119-126.
Beavan N.R., Sparks R.J. 1998. Factors influencing the radiocarbon
ages of the rat Rattus exulans. Radiocarbon, 40: 601-613.
R. N. Holdaway, M. D. Jones, N. R. Beavan Athfield. 2003.
Establishment and extinction of a population of South Georgian diving
petrel (Pelecanoides georgicus) at Mason Bay, Stewart Island, New
Zealand, during the late Holocene Journal of the Royal Society of New
Zealand, Volume 33, Number 3: pp 601-622
Holdaway, R.N.; Jones, M.D.; Beavan Athfield, N.R. 2002 Late Holocene
extinction of Finsch's duck (Chenonetta finschi, an endemic, possibly
flightless, New Zealand duck. Journal of the Royal Society of New
Zealand, 32(4): 629-651
Holdaway, R.N.; Jones, M.D.; Beavan Athfield, N.R. 2002 Late Holocene
extinction of the New Zealand owlet-nightjar Aegotheles
novaezealandiae. Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand, 32(4):
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