Re: Invitation to the new "Flores Man" Yahoo group

From: I.E. Johansson (inger_nospam_e.johanssonx_at_telia.com)
Date: 11/01/04 

Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 21:07:17 GMT

"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:267do05280uj0qg178fio8lsob52t4i353@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 19:58:32 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E. Johansson
> wrote:
>
> >Doug,
> >the below statement of yours show yourself to be deeply limited in who
> >according to your views can be or can't be a good scholar. That's not
true.
> >There are fanatic peoples on both the outher sides of the political
scale.
> >Apart from that a scholarly behavior calls for the scholar to be able to
> >distance him-/herself from his or her own political and personal opinion.
> >That's why there is call for so deep methodical studies all way from
first
> >level in History, and at least here in Sweden in other Philosophic
> >Humanistic subjects as well, all way up. One of the most important thing
you
> >had learnt had you studied here would have been that while you always
look
> >for bias, hidden or open, dependence to other sources/works etc etc you
also
> >need to realise that you yourself as a reader are far from objective in
your
> >own views - no matter where on the political scale you are.
> >
> >You simply can't say that a scholar of this or that political view never
can
> >be a good scholar no matter what he or she discuss. By doing so you are
as
> >good as the one you critizes no matter if the scholar you critizes is on
the
> >left or the right side of your opinion. Observe that I have excluded
> >extremists, those exists on both sides and while some of them can be a
good
> >scholar in many studies and works up to the point of drawing conclusions
> >most of them show themselves directly by the limited questions they asks
to
> >their material and the limited group of sources they refer to. Same bad
> >scholarship can and have also been found by so called scholars who
doesn't
> >belong to the extremists.
> >
> >Each scholaristic work needs to be judged by it's own, not due to this or
> >that party which the scholar writing it belongs to!
>
> In other words, you have excluded the people I am discussing, and arguing
> that I am discussing something different than the meaning conveyed by my
> words -- or aren't Nazis and extreme nationalists extremists?

Many are all aren't same goes for the Commies as goes for the Nazis - you
can't take them all in one hand and comb them with one and the same comb.

Thus you never ever if you want that other shall see you as a good scholar
say that a person just because he or she belongs to a party on the outher
'wings' is an extremist. While many are that's not necesarily so. They can
see you as one on the other side.

It's essential to realise that there have been good scholars on both the
outher wings. Scholars who have managed to be as objective as anyone can be
in their professional behavior as scholars and scientist. They are a few, I
know that, but you can't say that they never existed.

My
> statement below, no matter what you would like to think, mentions extreme
> nationlists and religious fundamentalists. Why you seem to think I am
> talking about some other group of people mystifies me.

I don't but in many persons views, been expressed but you seem not to have
understood it, your lines sometimes shines as if written of a leftwinger
close to the leftwing's other parts. If that's so it's bad real bad. I hope
you aren't. That would place you along with the scholars you don't like
because the communists are as little objective as the nazis and the
religious extremists. And btw. being against Israel's politic isn't at all
the same as being an anti-semit. One is due to politic of the goverment of
Israel, the other are normal people like you and me who can't be blamed for
all actions of their fellow countrymen in goverment
Inger E
>
> Doug
>
> >
> >
> >
> >"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.demon.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> >news:3q3do01t4rmft3jb6jst68noaemfufma9i@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:09:25 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E. Johansson
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >you still haven't got it have you? A person's political beliefs has
> >nothing
> >> >what so ever to do with said person's capability of being a good
scholar.
> >> >There are good scholars and bad scholars all over the political scale.
A
> >> >good scholar manage to seperate him-/herself from his/her political
> >beliefs
> >> >and bad scholar can't. Simple as that.
> >> >
> >> >One can't use a person's political views as an argument against said
> >person
> >> >without being same type of person, in other words using ones own
> >political
> >> >views as criteria of what's good and bad scholarly work. Those who
> >doesn't
> >> >understand that, they are bad scholars no matter where they stand on
the
> >> >political scale.
> >> >
> >> >Inger E who vote Conservative here in Sweden, economic on the right
> >social
> >> >welfare questions to the left, share some views with the Liberals here
to
> >> >which party I once belonged.
> >>
> >> Of course a person's political beliefs can have something to do with
their
> >> ability to be a good scholar. You can't, for instance, square extreme
> >> nationalism with being an objective historian. Or swear to take the
Bible
> >> literally and being an objective scientist, historian, etc.
> >>
> >> That you think a Nazi can be objective shows either an extreme naievety
or
> >> ?
> >>
> >> You have once again confused Libertarians with Liberals.
> >>
> >> And none of this has anything to do with my original question, which
was a
> >> question, not a statement about objectivity etc. In fact, you
prejudged
> >> me on the basis of my question. :-)
> >>
> >> Doug
> >> --
> >> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
> >> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
> >> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Doug Weller -- exorcise the demon to reply
> Doug & Helen's Dogs http://www.dougandhelen.com
> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>

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