Re: a question for inger

From: Seppo Renfors (Renfors_at_not.on.com.au)
Date: 11/17/04 

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:55:49 GMT

HughJampton_2@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > HughJampton_2@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > > > Tedd Jacobs wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Seppo Renfors" wrote...
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you for real? Are you really that foolish you don't think
> I
> > > KNOW
> > > > > > how this thread of abuse started?? It was Teddy boy's
> proposal to
> > > take
> > > > > > a "vote" on if the KRS is genuine or not - totally
> unintelligent!
> > > > > > There was NOTHING scientific at all about the Teddy boy's
> post -
> > > it
> > > > > > was solely intended for *** stirring - to get that conga
> line of
> > > > > > suckholes going that you participate in.
> > > > >
> > > > > question: where in this thread did i propose taking a "vote"?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tedd Jacobs wrote:
> > > > <cmvce702mi0@enews2.newsguy.com>
> > > > inger,
> > > > lets do a pop quiz (just for kicks):
> > > >
> > > > is it possible the KRS is not a genuine norse artifact?
> > > >
> > > > (this is a 'yes' or 'no' question only, no reasons please.)
> > > >
> > > > [end quote - that was the total message]
> > > >
> > > > It was the VERY FIRST POST in this thread, that was created by
> you.
> > >
> > > A question posed to a single person, as the title of the thread
> > > indicates, can hardly be called a vote. A vote asks many people to
> make
> > > a choice in order to ascertain a majority preference or opinion.
> This
> > > question was clearly directed to Inger alone.
> >
> > Well there is no accounting for what some people would call "sense"
> > but there is it for whatever it is worth (zero). Only if it was
> > personal and intended to merely BE personal, then it wouldn't be on a
> > news group - but on e-mail, wouldn't it.
>
> This is actually quite common nowadays in a range of communication
> media, I believe. One person asks another person a question in order to
> elicit an opinion for the benefit of many people who may be interested.
> This happens not just in one-to-one communication (as in your e-mail
> example) but can also take place between two people in front of a large
> audience: newspaper interviews, radio interviews, television chat
> shows. It's far more common than you think. In no case would a question
> asked of one person in these circumstances be called a vote.

A "pop quiz", "straw poll" or "vote" are all in the same league -

(as applies here)
POP - adjective [attrib.] 1 of or relating to commercial popular
music.
2 often derogatory: (especially of a technical, scientific, or
academic subject) made accessible to the general public - OED

So we see "pop" stand for "popular" as in "general public" in the #2
derogatory sense and "made accessible to the general public". So it
isn't actually possible for it to be a "personal" communication for
the reason of the use of that word alone.

(in this case)
QUIZ - noun (pl. quizzes) a test of knowledge, especially as a
competition between individuals or teams as a form of entertainment. -
OED

NOTE: The OED insists on plurals even as "individuals" - Tedd is the
"organiser" and therefor not a participant - ergo, a public intent is
apparent.

As it is a PUBLIC forum, it is only reasonable and expected (and
certainly had the effect) to assume a public intent for that reason
alone (forgetting the actual words that says it is for the moment).

It is further supported by the word "lets" the abbreviated "let us".
It is proposal to Inger to together organise a "popular quiz"
(accessible to the public) - THAT is what the subject line refers to -
and the "quiz" therefor must be directed at unspecified others (note
plural) in the group - and it has been so understood. That evidence is
overwhelming. Turn it which ever way around, you arrive at the same
answer - it was NOT a one to one question - it was a proposal to
vote...

One more thing is that it is intended as entertainment for Ted and Co
as it was initiated by Ted - the oh so popular "Inger bashing" that is
totally OFF TOPIC and an abuse of the group. Note Tedd has never
denied this intent of his.

So whilst I agree, it is possible to direct a question to a particular
person, this was not the case here. 

-- 
SIR - Philosopher unauthorised 
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