Re: Ivar Bardson's usage of abbrevations former Re: AVM, Freemasons and the Larson

From: Alan Crozier (alan.crazier_at_telia.com)
Date: 12/22/04 

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:23:03 GMT

"Hal" <SpamThis1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1103726542.382626.325160@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> I.E_Johansson wrote:
> > "Alan Crozier" <alan.crazier@telia.com> skrev i meddelandet
> > news:zV8yd.11768$d5.102511@newsb.telia.net...
> > > "I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote in message
> > > news:pJ8yd.125013$dP1.449033@newsc.telia.net...
> > > >
> > > > <kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
> > > > news:cqa9gq$8p7$1@thorium.cix.co.uk...
> > > > > In article <BiQxd.11641$d5.101850@newsb.telia.net>,
> > > > > inger_e.johansson@telia.com (I.E_Johansson) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is there anything you can put forward against that?
> > > > >
> > > > > You were being asked for examples of AVM.
> > > >
> > > > And that you have had, by me as well as by Jerry T.
> > > > You obviously haven't read what's written. Nor have you checked
> the
> > > > references either. Homework needed you know..... :-)
> > >
> > > But we were not shown any examples older than 1362.
> >
> > Alan,
> > you were. We can discuss the 1100's Danish example after Christmas,
> but the
> > group had an English runecarving example (the one where we can
> discuss if
> > there is or isn't a space between 'AV' and 'M') from 11th century in
> 7 years
> > ago.... then there was the other examples Jerry wrote about. There
> was also
> > the wooden cross where there might have been a 'M' in the arm where
> that
> > part of the carving could be nothing but could be 'M' as well.
> >
> >
> I think he meant clear pre-1362 examples that back-up your position. Of
> your 3 examples, one contains a "if there is or isn't", one a "might
> have been", and the other a "could be nothing but could be". This
> degree of ambiguity does not lend support to your position.
> If Jerry posted a link to an image of a clear, complete, unambiguous,
> pre-1362 example, I don't seem to be able to find it.

Yes, that's what I meant, Hal. As it is now, the earliest attested example
of the abbreviation AVM, all three letters together, seems to be the KRS.
And that might not be as early as the date 1362 carved on it.

Alan 

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Alan Crozier
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