Re: Ivar Bardson's usage of abbrevations 'AV'
From: Alan Crozier (alan.crazier_at_telia.com)
Date: 12/22/04
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:25:22 GMT
"Hal" <SpamThis1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I.E_Johansson wrote:
> "Alan Crozier" <alan.crazier@telia.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:vGVxd.124938$dP1.448390@newsc.telia.net...
> > "I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote in message
> > news:FpQxd.11642$d5.101871@newsb.telia.net...
> > > Ivar Bardson was the priest who performed the funerals in Gardar
and
> > > Herjolfsnes in 1340's.(shown by me many times - please read Ivar
Bardson
> > > part 1 to part 4,
> > > 2003). In early 20th century, AFTER KRS had been found, the
graveyard of
> > > Herjolfsnes was excavated. Many wooden cross/crucifix were found
in
> graves
> > > from 1340's. It's been assumed due to the texts on them that the
only
> one
> > > who could have carved the cross with runetexts were the priest.
The
> > > abbrevation 'AV' was used by the carver.
> > >
> > > * The only priest who at that time lived in Gardar and performed
> service
> > in
> > > Herjolfsnes was Ivar Bardson.
> > >
> > > As Finnur Jónsson wrote in his work 'AV' was an abbrevation used
by the
> > > carver on cross found in the graves of Herjolfsnes.
> > > source: Jónsson Finnur, Interpretation of the Runic inscriptions
from
> > > Herjolfsnes, Copenhagen 1924, serie: Meddelelser om Grřnland,
, ISSN
> > > 0025-6676 ; 67:2 ,
> > > page 283.
> > >
> > > Conclusion: It's more than likely that Ivar Bardson were at least
> familiar
> > > with 'AV' as an abbrevation for 'Ave'.
> >
> > The above is actually a very plausible, cogent argument.
> >
> > The problem is, I don't believe the rest of your thesis, unstated
above,
> > that brings Ivar, Nicholas & Co to Minnesota to carve that same
> abbreviation
> > in a runic text written in modern Scandinavian and leave behind the
Holy
> > Grail.
>
> One of the copies of - not the Holy Grail itself that's still in
Scotland,
> according to information I have had over the years. One of the other
copies
> were in the hand of a Grey Friar in 1960's living in Linköping. As
for
> Nicholas - well I hinted where to look for him. And yes I have the
two
> different routes down to mid US confirmed by native tradition as well
as
> from artifacts I never spoken of here.
>
> As for the Holy Grail in Scotland being genuine, it's first known
from 3rd
> century and then as a tradition of what's in a special 'place' in
Jerusalem.
> There the Knight's Templar found the three items and brought it with
them.
> Genuine or not, that has to do with faith.
>
>
Hal wrote: Even by your standards, this is a bit much. The real Holy Grail
is in
Scotland, and Norse were handing out artifacts and a Holy Grail copy in
Minnesota in 1362? I'm afraid I can't take this kind of thing on faith.
Alan replies: Once again it seems I have to act as interpreter between Inger
and the rest of you. When she writes "that has to do with faith" she is not
referring to the whole of her message above. I think she is referring solely
to the bit about the "original" Grail, the one found by the Templars.
Whether or not you believe that this Grail was used by Jesus at the Last
Supper depends on your Christian faith or lack of it.
As for your declaration that you "can't take this kind of thing on faith",
Hal, well, Inger has promised that all the evidence for the unbelievable
subsequent fate of the Grail and its various medieval copies in Linköping
and North America will be published. Just don't hold your breath.
Alan
-- Alan Crozier Lund Sweden
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