Re: Jesus and John-the-Baptist were rebels and not terrorists Re: Josephus was the Quelle

From: Archimedes Plutonium (a_plutonium_at_iw.net)
Date: 12/24/04 

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:13:02 -0600

I was curious today to see what sequence Josephus writings had for Jesus and
John-the-Baptist whether they were reasonably spaced in his text. Of course a
historian can sometimes talk about a subject outside of a chronological time
frame but such looks suspicious.

But apparently the Josephus text of Antiquities appears rational and reasonable
in that John-the-Baptist is mentioned in 18.5.1 through 18.5.3 and Jesus is
mentioned in 18.63-64. So that the time sequence appears to be normal and
natural. But I would need to have to read the entire text and to become expertly
familar with the text to detect whether there was a gap in the sequence.

Consider: if the Jesus paragraph had been a interpolation by Christian scribes
then they would have been forced to find a spot in Josephus to inject that
interpolation which would have been difficult to make it flow as the original
Josephus writing. But the sequence of Josephus seems a natural flow even with
the Jesus paragraph suggesting that Josephus originally wrote about Jesus. But
the length of the Jesus paragraph compared to the John-the-Baptist length is
disproportionate, implying that there were edits of Jesus in Josephus.

It was not a matter of a Jesus add-on paragraph but a matter of the Christian
scribes cutting and deleting most of what Josephus originally wrote about Jesus.

And looking at 18.5.1 talk of John-the-Baptist one gains a sense that John was
one of those fighting rebels who defeated Herod's Army. So one gains the sense
that John was not some passive bloke hanging around a river but was a cut throat
rebel riding amoungst other cut throat rebels killing Herod's army.

Perhaps the Christian scribes failed to edit any of 18.5.1. Or perhaps there was
more written by Josephus on John-the-Baptist where he describes how John was a
rebel leader who attacked and killed a vanguard of Herod's Army and these
passages were cut out of Josephus original.

Since John-the-Baptist has about 2 pages in Josephus and considering that the
fighting and killing of an army rates 2 pages, but that killing was only Jews
and not Romans, then can we expect or predict how many pages the original
Josephus devoted to Jesus in 18.63-64???? I would say at least 2 pages had
Josephus written about Jesus in 18.63-64.

Josephus says that John-the-Baptist was involved with killing the army of Herod.
So how many men would that involve? Would it be in the thousands? Thousands of
Jews killed and John-the-Baptist involved with that killing. And so 2 pages
devoted to John-the-Baptist.

Occam's Razor for Jesus in Josephus: here is what I believe Josephus wrote about
Jesus: About this time comes a man called Jesus whose band of followers call him
the Christ or "oiled down" because his band of rebels were oiled down after
coming home to a cave after fighting the Romans. Jesus married Mary Magdalene
and bore a son named Barabbas. Jesus band of rebels used religion as a cover and
ploy and recruitment technique against the Romans so that when not fighting they
were fake preaching to gain more recruits. Then Jesus and Barabbas and their
rebels rode into Jerusalem and slayed about 50 Romans on guard and overturned
the moneytables on that religious holiday. However, Barabbas was captured in the
fight and sentenced to crucifixion. Jesus the father of Barabbas was so
distressed that he called a meeting of his band of rebels and appointed Judas to
negotiate a deal with the Romans to release Barabbas. The deal came to that of
Jesus being crucified in order to set his son free. Whether the Romans were true
to their word is unknown or whether the Romans crucified both Jesus and
Barabbas. Anyway, the great storm and great sympathy and great grief that this
Jesus caused was due to the fact that here is a father who saves his son or
wants to save his son and that is why the Jews so loved Jesus and remembered
Jesus because of the thousands of fighters and rebels against Romans, the Jesus
story is one of a father rebel who gives up his life to save his rebel son,
Barabbas. And thus the story of Jesus was kept close to the heart of every Jew
because he was a rebel who wanted to save his son and thus a religious cult was
formed around Jesus story. This cult would later replace Jesus as rebel to Jesus
as son of god akin to Augustus Caesar moniker of son of god (printed on coins)
and to Caligula's moniker of son of god. Only Jesus story morphed into son of
god who is crucified to save humanity.

P.S. to ancient writings. Do any of the contemporary writers of the 1st century
have a story of persons being crucified and where one saves his son from
crucifixion by taking his place at the cross? What I am thinking is that if the
above is the true story of Jesus, that the Jews and foreigners upon hearing the
story of a man taking the place of his son at the cross would be so loved that
others would have written about him and would have escaped the legions of
editing Christian scribes. So was there an ancient Roman writer or Greek writer
who mentions a man crucified that saved his son? If Philo or one of the Plinys
or poets of the first century included a story of a Jew crucified who saves his
son would be bolstering evidence that my above outline is true.

Archimedes Plutonium
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