Re: Remember the Dover Bronze Age boat discussion?

From: Eric Stevens (eric.stevens_at_sum.co.nz)
Date: 01/09/05 

Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:21:44 +1300

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:51:56 GMT, Philip Deitiker
<Donevenask@worlnet.att.net> wrote:

>"zolota" <zolota3@REMOVEshaw.ca> says in
>news:QV7Ed.28885$8l.3619@pd7tw1no:
>
>> It is also interesting that you appear to be unaware of the fact
>> that the Pacific ocean warning system is contributed to by far
>> more than just Japan and the US. In fact, Australia, Canada,
>> Chile, China, Colombia, Cook Islands, Costa Rica, Democratic
>> People's Republic of Korea, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, France,
>> Guatemala, Indonesia, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Nicaragua,
>> Peru, Republic of the Philippines, Republic of Korea, Russian
>> Federation, Samoa, Singapore, Thailand and the United States of
>> America are all working together on this.
>
>I didn't know PMEL and the NOAA was owned by the United Nations, or
>all these other countries. All this time I that the N in NOAA meant
>National, as in the United States.
>
>Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory
>7600 Sand Point Way,
>Seattle, WA 98115

You are up to your usual trick of making unannounced deletions of the
article to which you are responding to conceal the fact that you are
arguing dishonestly. In particular you have deleted the URL
http://portal.unesco.org/en/ev.php-URL_ID=24341&URL_DO=DO_TOPIC&URL_SECTION=201.html

This includes the following statements:

  "UNESCO’s Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission (IOC) initiated
   the tsunami alert system for the Pacific in 1968. It remains the
   only regional tsunami warning system.
                   [ .... ]
   "The Tsunami Warning System in the Pacific serves 26 Member States*
     in the region and has been hailed as one of the most successful
     international scientific programmes with the direct humanitarian
     aim of mitigating the effects of tsunami, saving lives and
     property. Its operational headquarters are located in Hawaii at
     the International Tsunami Information Centre (ITIC) and the
     Richard H. Hagemeyer Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre (PTWC). "

PMEL and NOAA are but two of the contributing organisations.

>
>What research has Canada done on Holopacific Tsunamis?
>Little to none.

That is a non-sequitur with respect to the point you are attempting to
refute.
>
>How many deep ocean bouys have they placed?
>
>I can pick up a penny off the street and tell everyone I am wealthy.
>
>> There are wave sensors
>> only a few tens of kilometers from here
>
>Well, goody for you, there are tide sensors at just about every
>coastal overpass, swingbring and jetty in the United States.

Are you attempting to confuse these with tsunami warning buoys?
>
>http://www.pari.go.jp/bsh/ky-skb/kaisho/sub/bun/2003/g2003-kscoe01.pdf
>
>"1. INTRODUCTION
>Offshore observation of tsunami and storm
>surge before arriving to the coast is very important
>for coastal disaster prevention. But up to ten years
>ago, coastal tide stations had been supposed to be
>the only means to observe tsunami and storm surge
>profile, for difficulty of offshore observation
>(Goda.et.al., 2002). Recently seabed installed
>coastal wave gauges have been repeatedly reported
>to successfully observe various tsunami profiles by
>conducting continuous data acquisition (Goda.et.al.,
>2001; Nagai, 2002a; Nagai.et.al, 1996, 2000,
>2002b).
>Nevertheless seabed installed types of wave
>gauges are installed in the limited area with water
>depth less than 50m for their maintenance
>necessity.
>
>_On the other hand, buoy type wave
>gauges with acceleration sensors are not able to
>detect long period tsunami and storm surge, for
>acceleration is very small in such long period
>fluctuations. Therefore, a new offshore observation
>system has been desired.
>"
>
>>, and I'm niether in
>> Japan nor the US.
>
>And some day your relatives will be real happy to know that because
>Tsunami's travel at 500 miles per hour and the 'wave' sensors need to
>be in excess of 200 miles off the coast to have an effect.
>
>http://seaboard.ndbc.noaa.gov/Maps/Northwest.shtml
>
>The red stars indicate the position of long period wave detectors all
>of these detectors are owned and operated by the U.S.

Not surprising. The URL points to a page titled "National Data Buoy
Center". You wouldn't expect it to show buoys other than those owned
by the USA.

> Tsunami waves are spread over the entire water column, they are
>much more than a surface wave, when reaching shore that speed of the
>wave is converted into a surface wave as the wave is compressed and
>slowed down by the shoreline. Its nice to know that people living in
>high risk areas are educated in the risks associated with Tsunami's.
>And the Indonesians had a buoy also, but was it working, I can't seem
>to remember.

Eric Stevens

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