Re: Cocaine in ancient Egypt?

From: University Studies (gov-statistics_at_no.spam)
Date: 01/17/05 

Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:10:38 GMT

"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:04:03 -0000, "JMB" <jmb@utvinternet.ie> wrote:
>
> >"Julian Richards" <see@sig.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:taglu0pkei4nlfjm4ea43uj3gfv2dllftr@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:20:46 +0100, "Soren Larsen" <sohela@tiscali.dk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Julian Richards" <see@sig.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
> >>>news:unalu01shnekgl7p4d81d8amrlsoe2cqei@4ax.com...
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> One intriguing possibility that I have seen suggested is that the
> >>>> stuff went to Africa via China, ie "the wrong way around", which
seems
> >>>> to me to be even more difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever the truth of the matter, the sailing technology of the time
> >>>> seems to be up to the job of such a crossing.
> >>>
> >>>What kind of vessel available in the Atlantic 1000 BC do you think was
> >>>capable of setting up a reliable trade link between Africa and S
America
> >>>with the necessary payload capacity?
> >>
> >> But does it have to be a reliable trade link with shipping of heavy
> >> goods? They are running drugs without any customs people trying to
> >> stop them. Drugs one way, gold going back the other with the Egyptian
> >> elite willing to pay top whack for what is otherwise unavailable.

One theory proposes that the Ancient Egyptians had owned land in South
America (well before the time of the Aztecs and Incas). So, under this
"ownership" theory it wouldn't be that Egypt had to send anything to trade
with South America. But rather, that Egypt had to simply maintain its
outposts and keep shipping gold and cocaine back to Egypt. If this theory
holds true, then it would account for the eventual use by South American
natives of Egypt's highyl advanced stone cutting techniques, a
hieroglyph-based language and more.

Because Egypt wasn't the greatest seafaring nation of the time, (or any
time) we wonder if the immensely wealthy pharaohs would subcontract out
these seagoing tasks to the Phoenicians.

This theory would make a lot more sense than UFO's showing up to teach the
Mayans and Aztecs, as all too many American TV documentaries have proposed
in the past. LOL
UFOs do not exist
http://members.fcc.net/workgroup5/sup/ufos.html

>From the website http://phoenicia.org/ships.html

"Excellence of the arrangements
    A remarkable testimony to the excellence of the Phoenician ships with
respect to internal arrangements
      is borne by Xenophon, who puts the following words into the mouth of
Ischomachus, a Greek:[17] "I
      think that the best and most perfect arrangement of things that I ever
saw was when I went to look at
      the great Phoenician sailing-vessel; for I saw the largest amount of
naval tackling separately disposed in
      the smallest stowage possible. For a ship, as you well know, is
brought to anchor, and again got under
      way, by a vast number of wooden implements and of ropes and sails the
sea by means of a quantity of
      rigging, and is armed with a number of contrivances against hostile
vessels, and carries about with it a
      large supply of weapons for the crew, and, besides, has all the
utensils that a man keeps in his
      dwelling-house, for each of the messes. In addition, it is laden with
a quantity of merchandise which the
      owner carries with him for his own profit. Now all the things which I
have mentioned lay in a space not
      much bigger than a room which would conveniently hold ten beds. And I
remarked that they severally
      lay in a way that they did not obstruct one another, and did not
require anyone to search for them; and
      yet they were neither placed at random, nor entangled one with
another, so as to consume time when
      they were suddenly wanted for use. Also, I found the captain's
assistant, who is called 'the look-out
      man,' so well acquainted with the position of all the articles, and
with the number of them, that even
      when at a distance he could tell where everything lay, and how many
there were of each sort, just as
      anyone who has learnt to read can tell the number of letters in the
name of Socrates and the proper
      place for each of them. Moreover, I saw this man, in his leisure
moments, examining and testing
      everything that a vessel needs when at sea; so, as I was surprised, I
asked him what he was about,
      whereupon he replied--'Stranger, I am looking to see, in case anything
should happen, how everything is arranged in the ship, and whether
anything is wanting, or is inconveniently situated; for when a storm
      arises at sea, it is not possible either to look for what is wanting,
or to put to right what is arranged
      awkwardly.'"

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