Re: Cocaine in ancient Egypt?
From: JMB (jmb_at_utvinternet.ie)
Date: 01/17/05
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:33:54 -0000
"University Studies" <gov-statistics@no.spam> wrote in message
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> "JMB" <jmb@utvinternet.ie> wrote in message
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>> "University Studies" <gov-statistics@no.spam> wrote in message
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>> > "Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote in message
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>> >> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:37:59 GMT, "I.E_Johansson"
>> >> <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> skrev i meddelandet
>> >> >news:bmqlu0tts1mll0gfmf9obalt1r94biqd93@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:04:03 -0000, "JMB" <jmb@utvinternet.ie>
> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >"Julian Richards" <see@sig.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:taglu0pkei4nlfjm4ea43uj3gfv2dllftr@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:20:46 +0100, "Soren Larsen"
>> > <sohela@tiscali.dk>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>"Julian Richards" <see@sig.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
>> >> >> >>>news:unalu01shnekgl7p4d81d8amrlsoe2cqei@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> One intriguing possibility that I have seen suggested is that
> the
>> >> >> >>>> stuff went to Africa via China, ie "the wrong way around",
> which
>> >> >seems
>> >> >> >>>> to me to be even more difficult.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Whatever the truth of the matter, the sailing technology of
>> >> >> >>>> the
>> > time
>> >> >> >>>> seems to be up to the job of such a crossing.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>What kind of vessel available in the Atlantic 1000 BC do you
> think
>> > was
>> >> >> >>>capable of setting up a reliable trade link between Africa and S
>> >> >America
>> >> >> >>>with the necessary payload capacity?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> But does it have to be a reliable trade link with shipping of
> heavy
>> >> >> >> goods? They are running drugs without any customs people trying
> to
>> >> >> >> stop them. Drugs one way, gold going back the other with the
>> > Egyptian
>> >> >> >> elite willing to pay top whack for what is otherwise
>> >> >> >> unavailable.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I think you are confusing modern drug cartels with ancient trade.
>> > There
>> >> >was
>> >> >> >no embargo on the importation of drugs, nor on their manufacture.
>> > There
>> >> >> >were plenty on local sources that did not require perilous, secret
>> >> >> >trans-Atlantic crossings.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't think the crossings need have been particularly perilous.
> The
>> >> >> major problem was that when relying on sail you do not find your
>> >> >> way
>> >> >> back by retracing the route you took out (and that applies to
> journeys
>> >> >> starting on either side of the Atlantic). It is conceivable that
> ships
>> >> >> made a one-way journey by accident, but getting home again with the
>> >> >> story almost requires a second accident. But once the first round
> trip
>> >> >> had been achieved there should have been relatively little trouble
>> >> >> repeating it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Which might be the case given that there are at least one map and one
>> >> >seachart showing part of Australia instead of showing the assumed
>> > continent
>> >> >of the Ancient world.
>> >>
>> >> But not dating back to the time of the pyramids.
>> >
>> > Eric, it's good to remember that in ancient times the advanced cultures
>> > (Egypt, Israel, Persia) used the stars as maps for long journeys. There
>> > are
>> > ancient roads maps, usually as sewn tapestries, discovered dating to
>> > the
>> > time of Ancient Rome and Greece. What would be even more valuable would
> be
>> > an ancient sewn tapestry map of Ancient Jerusalem (might be worth $100
>> > million or more).
>> >
>> > Some researchers believe an Ice Age star map wall etching has been
>> > discovered in the caves at Lascaux, France.
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/871930.stm
>> >
>> >
>>
>> None of which equates to the type of map being discussed by Eric.
>
> None this equates to the type of map being discussed by Eric?
Yes. You know, Eric, the guy you were responding to. He was discussing a
map and seachart that showed Australia with Inger.
>
>
>
>
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