Re: Cocaine in ancient Egypt?

From: Eric Stevens (eric.stevens_at_sum.co.nz)
Date: 01/17/05 

Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:47:07 +1300

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 10:09:02 GMT, "I.E_Johansson"
<inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote:

>
>"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> skrev i meddelandet
>news:3qtmu0162m1883b0fpuuqakgesv8nq7evk@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 04:37:59 GMT, "I.E_Johansson"
>> <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> skrev i meddelandet
>> >news:bmqlu0tts1mll0gfmf9obalt1r94biqd93@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:04:03 -0000, "JMB" <jmb@utvinternet.ie> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Julian Richards" <see@sig.co.uk> wrote in message
>> >> >news:taglu0pkei4nlfjm4ea43uj3gfv2dllftr@4ax.com...
>> >> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:20:46 +0100, "Soren Larsen"
><sohela@tiscali.dk>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>"Julian Richards" <see@sig.co.uk> skrev i en meddelelse
>> >> >>>news:unalu01shnekgl7p4d81d8amrlsoe2cqei@4ax.com...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> One intriguing possibility that I have seen suggested is that the
>> >> >>>> stuff went to Africa via China, ie "the wrong way around", which
>> >seems
>> >> >>>> to me to be even more difficult.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Whatever the truth of the matter, the sailing technology of the
>time
>> >> >>>> seems to be up to the job of such a crossing.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>What kind of vessel available in the Atlantic 1000 BC do you think
>was
>> >> >>>capable of setting up a reliable trade link between Africa and S
>> >America
>> >> >>>with the necessary payload capacity?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But does it have to be a reliable trade link with shipping of heavy
>> >> >> goods? They are running drugs without any customs people trying to
>> >> >> stop them. Drugs one way, gold going back the other with the
>Egyptian
>> >> >> elite willing to pay top whack for what is otherwise unavailable.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I think you are confusing modern drug cartels with ancient trade.
>There
>> >was
>> >> >no embargo on the importation of drugs, nor on their manufacture.
>There
>> >> >were plenty on local sources that did not require perilous, secret
>> >> >trans-Atlantic crossings.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think the crossings need have been particularly perilous. The
>> >> major problem was that when relying on sail you do not find your way
>> >> back by retracing the route you took out (and that applies to journeys
>> >> starting on either side of the Atlantic). It is conceivable that ships
>> >> made a one-way journey by accident, but getting home again with the
>> >> story almost requires a second accident. But once the first round trip
>> >> had been achieved there should have been relatively little trouble
>> >> repeating it.
>> >
>> >Which might be the case given that there are at least one map and one
>> >seachart showing part of Australia instead of showing the assumed
>continent
>> >of the Ancient world.
>>
>> But not dating back to the time of the pyramids.
>
>Not the ones I have seen..... but one scholar of Geography and Carthography
>from Poland once told me that there is one queer old map which has been
>owned by one of Asia minor's earliest Carthograph where it seems as if there
>is a land in the place where Australia is. Never seen it but one of my mates
>when studying Geography was from Ankara and he told me that the existence
>was mentioned in one of his schoolbook. As long I haven't more I guess it's
>a maybe. But still, someone reading this might have heard more. That's why I
>add this potential possibility to the lines.
>
Some of the early (i.e. 15th century) european maps showed an
ill-formed mass roughly in the postion of Australia. They **may** have
had some knowledge of land down there but they also had theories about
the need for a counter-weight continent to keep the globe balanced.

In any case, this does not provide evidence of +3000 year old
trans-Atlantic trade in drugs.

Eric Stevens

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