Re: The first Swedes + seed

From: Alaca (P.Alaca_at_is.invalid)
Date: 02/02/05 

Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:11:52 +0100

Inger E. Johansson wrote in:
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> "Alaca" <P.Alaca@is.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Inger E. Johansson wrote in:
>> b1f8ac7f48a5f92c861f5d097a41197c.16462@mygate.mailgate.org,
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>> Thank you Inger, that's more like it.
>> As I said "Vegetable seeds and fruit tree cuttings yes, but
>> Tilia?" I did of course forget to mention the obvious grains..
>
> You haven't explained what Tilia means. Never heard that word nor
> does it occur in any British-English to Swedish dictionaries and I
> haven't been able to find out what you mean by it from in this
> special discussion when looking in encyclopedias.
>
>> The problems "Tilia" and "avenues" are still not solved.
>
> You are 100% wrong when avenues is at hand. That's means one and
> only one thing for a Swede from Medieval Age on forward!
> It means that trees are standing in pairs, or at least almost in
> pair, one on left and one on right from a road leading up to
> something. That Kalm made clear that the linden stood as if they
> were put in earth on opposite side of a former road now filled with
> green grows of differnt kind.
> In other word 'avenues' ARE solved. That's final!!!!!!! Where all
> those avenues were to be found that Kalm refered to are also clear
> but that's nothing I will discuss here.
>>
>> Another problem is the many threads with basicaly the same subject.
>
> No it isn't. You might have noticed but not comprehended we are
> heading to a discussion about the early Swede's and the differences
> of all kind,which also are noted but missed by readers of all from
> Kalm to the early 'explorers'.
>
> More about this down the road.

ABOUT TILIA
Tilia is a name, hence the capital T. I don't know what it means either
because Backer* gives no explanation and I failed to find it in
Stearn **. But it may be named after Michel Angelo Tilli (1655-1740),
director of the botanical gardens in Pisa.
The name Tilia is very easy to find, but a E-S dictionairy is not the
obvious place to look for it.

I think it's a bit odd that you are talking about lime/linden as evidence
in your case, but never heard of Tilia. You are using the books written by a
botanist as evidence, but you haven't a clue what he is talking about.

And I find it very odd you said you never heard of Tilia, because Tilia is
mentioned in this discussion over and over again; the last time yesterday
by me in «Kalm fruittrees planted in lines», one of the threads you fled.
Remember Tilia americana from America and Tilia cordata from Europe?
And remember de confusion over lime - linden - basswood?
That is why scientific names are used in the scientific world. To make
sure everybody knows what you mean and so avoid confusion.

Refs.
*Backer, B.C (1936/2000) "Verklarend woordenboek van wetenschappelijke
plantennamen". Amsterdam
** Stearn, W.T (1983(ed 3)) "Botanical Latin -History, Grammar, Syntax,
Terminology and Vocabulary", Newton Abbot

A post about the unsolved "avenues" is following 

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 -- Peter Alaca --

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