Re: Did native Americans cultivate Lime tree?
From: I.E_Johansson (inger_e.johansson_at_telia.com)
Date: 02/05/05
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Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 23:32:54 GMT
"tkavanagh" <tkavanag(unmphd)@comcast.net> skrev i meddelandet
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> "I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com>
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> > "tkavanagh" <tkavanag(unmphd)@comcast.net> skrev
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> >> "Daryl Krupa" <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> >> >
> >> > tkavanagh (unmphd) wrote:
> >> > <snip>
> >> >
> >> >> Yes, in the English version (Vol. 2., p
> >> >> 278),
> >> >> he
> >> >> named "Mr. de Verandriere". There is no
> >> >> other
> >> >> mention of Verandriere or his stone in those
> >> >> volumes.
> >> > <snip>
> >> >
> >> > tk:
> >> > In my version,
> >> > on August 7 Kalm recounts the description of
> >> > "Mr. de Verandrier (or de Verendrye)" of some
> >> > odd
> >> > stones that they had found standing up or
> >> > piled
> >> > on one another in the prairie grass (west of
> >> > the Mississippi, I suppose), without any
> >> > characters
> >> > or writing, except for one:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "
> >> > At last they met with a large stone, like a
> >> > pillar,
> >> > and in it a smaller stone was fixed, which
> >> > was
> >> > covered
> >> > on both sides with unknown characters. This
> >> > stone,
> >> > which was ... carried to Canada with them ...
> >> > was sent to France ... Several of the
> >> > Jesuits,
> >> > who had seen and handled this stone in
> >> > Canada,
> >> > affirm that the letters on it are the same as
> >> > those
> >> > in books containing accounts of Tataria, are
> >> > called
> >> > Tatarian characters ...
> >> > "
> >> >
> >> > On what date in your version is "Mr. de
> >> > Verandriere"
> >> > mentioned by Kalm, please?
> >>
> >> Yup, August 7, 1749 (the mention of
> >> "Verendriere"
> >> is some 10 pages or so into that days
> >> ramblings).
> >
> > Only one of three places where the stone is
> > discussed.(or in one case the
> > land where those who carved such letters still
> > lived)
>
> Please specify.
That part will be in one of my articles. You don't expect me to give you all
details when so many scholars missed or only read the most quoted(but badly
translated) part about the stone?
you already got information enough were to read and thus also what to look
for.
I know that others have started to read Kalm's book some once more some for
the first time. Why not you?
Btw one of the places mentioned in Verendrye's as well as in Kalm's writings
is a monestry between Quebec and Lake Ontario. In the former the appletree
is mentioned. As in the later. If you remember when you and I had discussion
about longhouses some years ago one of those I spoke of was located in that
area.
Inger E
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