Re: Did native Americans cultivate Lime tree?

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Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:56:44 -0500

----- Original Message -----
From: "I.E_Johansson"
<inger_e.johansson@telia.com>
Newsgroups: sci.archaeology
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Did native Americans cultivate Lime
tree?

>
> "tkavanagh" <tkavanag(unmphd)@comcast.net> skrev
> i meddelandet
> news:9pCdnVLvB8NTzZjfRVn-1g@comcast.com...
>>
>> "I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com>
>> wrote in message
>> news:PZZMd.129583$dP1.463081@newsc.telia.net...
>> >
>> > "tkavanagh" <tkavanag(unmphd)@comcast.net>
>> > skrev
>> > i meddelandet
>> > news:FbSdnfrlwPomrZnfRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>> >>
>> >> "Daryl Krupa" <icycalmca@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:1107502289.548340.237620@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > tkavanagh (unmphd) wrote:
>> >> > <snip>
>> >> >
>> >> >> Yes, in the English version (Vol. 2., p
>> >> >> 278),
>> >> >> he
>> >> >> named "Mr. de Verandriere". There is no
>> >> >> other
>> >> >> mention of Verandriere or his stone in
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> volumes.
>> >> > <snip>
>> >> >
>> >> > tk:
>> >> > In my version,
>> >> > on August 7 Kalm recounts the description
>> >> > of
>> >> > "Mr. de Verandrier (or de Verendrye)" of
>> >> > some
>> >> > odd
>> >> > stones that they had found standing up or
>> >> > piled
>> >> > on one another in the prairie grass (west
>> >> > of
>> >> > the Mississippi, I suppose), without any
>> >> > characters
>> >> > or writing, except for one:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "
>> >> > At last they met with a large stone, like
>> >> > a
>> >> > pillar,
>> >> > and in it a smaller stone was fixed, which
>> >> > was
>> >> > covered
>> >> > on both sides with unknown characters.
>> >> > This
>> >> > stone,
>> >> > which was ... carried to Canada with them
>> >> > ...
>> >> > was sent to France ... Several of the
>> >> > Jesuits,
>> >> > who had seen and handled this stone in
>> >> > Canada,
>> >> > affirm that the letters on it are the same
>> >> > as
>> >> > those
>> >> > in books containing accounts of Tataria,
>> >> > are
>> >> > called
>> >> > Tatarian characters ...
>> >> > "
>> >> >
>> >> > On what date in your version is "Mr. de
>> >> > Verandriere"
>> >> > mentioned by Kalm, please?
>> >>
>> >> Yup, August 7, 1749 (the mention of
>> >> "Verendriere"
>> >> is some 10 pages or so into that days
>> >> ramblings).
>> >
>> > Only one of three places where the stone is
>> > discussed.(or in one case the
>> > land where those who carved such letters
>> > still
>> > lived)
>>
>> Please specify.
>
> That part will be in one of my articles. You
> don't expect me to give you
> all
> details when so many scholars missed or only
> read the most quoted(but
> badly
> translated) part about the stone?

Yes I do. You go about claiming that such and such
edition is wrong,
implying that you have made the scholarly
comparison but refuse to cite even
one instance of error. It "will be in one of my
articles" is not a valid
excuse to cover your multiple failures to provide
any details to back up
your claims.

> you already got information enough were to read
> and thus also what to look
> for.

You have provided no such information.

> I know that others have started to read Kalm's
> book some once more some
> for
> the first time. Why not you?

Are you insinuating that I have not read it? If
so, you are wrong.

> Btw one of the places mentioned in Verendrye's
> as well as in Kalm's
> writings
> is a monestry between Quebec and Lake Ontario.

You will, of course, provide a citation for it.

> In the former the appletree
> is mentioned. As in the later. If you remember
> when you and I had
> discussion
> about longhouses some years ago one of those I
> spoke of was located in
> that
> area.

No, I don't. Refresh my memory. You must have the
reference at hand; I give
you permission to repost it.

tk

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