Re: Wild cattle and oxen OBS NO MUSK-OX or BISON

From: tkavanagh (tkavanag(unmphd)_at_comcast.net)
Date: 02/07/05 

Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 17:36:44 -0500

"I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com>
wrote in message
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> "zolota" <zolota3@REMOVEshaw.ca> skrev i
> meddelandet
> news:Z5QNd.315364$6l.24770@pd7tw2no...
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>> "Kel Rekuta" <krekuta@sympatico.ca> wrote in
>> message
>> news:4207BDC0.4070306@sympatico.ca...
>> >
>> >
>> > I.E_Johansson wrote:
>> >> I hope for those interested in discussin
>> >> Dania Nova on old maps and or
>> >> Scandinavians in southwestern corner of
>> >> Hudson Bay that you haven't
>> >> missed
>> >> my post today 15.12 local time, subjectline
>> >> The first Swedes and seeds.
>> >> If
>> >> you have here it is again:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Short summery Kalm asked if monsr. le Duc
>> >> had seen kettles in Hudson
> Bay
>> >> area. He had seen wild oxen and wild kettle
>> >> more in the 'end' of
> Western
>> >> Hudson Bay then elsewhere.
>> >>
>> >> So no one get things wrong. When Kalm speaks
>> >> of 'boskap' he as every
>> >> Swede
>> >> in his days, before and after, refer to
>> >> kettle which either are
> domestic
>> >> kettle or domestic kettles who after being
>> >> left behind gone wild.
>> >>
>> >> Inger E
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > So Inger, do you suppose Kalm meant European
>> > cattle and oxen transported
>> > to Western Hudson Bay, then abandoned? Or
>> > might it have been the
>> > substantial herds of caribou and musk ox
>> > which still inhabit part of
> those
>> > areas? (both wild "cattle-like" animals IIRC)
>> >
>> > Kel
>>
>> In that area it would have been Bison Bison aka
>> the plains buffalo.
>>
>>
> http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/pictures/Bison_bison.htm
> l
>>
>> Z
>
> Kalm definitely wasn't asking about Musk-ox or
> Bison. He was talking about
> ordinary type of domestic cows, pigs and oxen.

On page 162 of the on-line English version, while
speaking of "wild oxen," Kalm explicitly wrote:
"...the American species of oxen is Linneaus's Bos
bison."

tk