Re: Wild cattle and oxen OBS NO MUSK-OX or BISON

From: I.E_Johansson (inger_e.johansson_at_telia.com)
Date: 02/07/05 

Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 22:46:02 GMT

"tkavanagh" <tkavanag(unmphd)@comcast.net> skrev i meddelandet
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> "I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com>
> wrote in message
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> > "zolota" <zolota3@REMOVEshaw.ca> skrev i
> > meddelandet
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> >> "Kel Rekuta" <krekuta@sympatico.ca> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:4207BDC0.4070306@sympatico.ca...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I.E_Johansson wrote:
> >> >> I hope for those interested in discussin
> >> >> Dania Nova on old maps and or
> >> >> Scandinavians in southwestern corner of
> >> >> Hudson Bay that you haven't
> >> >> missed
> >> >> my post today 15.12 local time, subjectline
> >> >> The first Swedes and seeds.
> >> >> If
> >> >> you have here it is again:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Short summery Kalm asked if monsr. le Duc
> >> >> had seen kettles in Hudson
> > Bay
> >> >> area. He had seen wild oxen and wild kettle
> >> >> more in the 'end' of
> > Western
> >> >> Hudson Bay then elsewhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> So no one get things wrong. When Kalm speaks
> >> >> of 'boskap' he as every
> >> >> Swede
> >> >> in his days, before and after, refer to
> >> >> kettle which either are
> > domestic
> >> >> kettle or domestic kettles who after being
> >> >> left behind gone wild.
> >> >>
> >> >> Inger E
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > So Inger, do you suppose Kalm meant European
> >> > cattle and oxen transported
> >> > to Western Hudson Bay, then abandoned? Or
> >> > might it have been the
> >> > substantial herds of caribou and musk ox
> >> > which still inhabit part of
> > those
> >> > areas? (both wild "cattle-like" animals IIRC)
> >> >
> >> > Kel
> >>
> >> In that area it would have been Bison Bison aka
> >> the plains buffalo.
> >>
> >>
> >
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/pictures/Bison_bison.htm
> > l
> >>
> >> Z
> >
> > Kalm definitely wasn't asking about Musk-ox or
> > Bison. He was talking about
> > ordinary type of domestic cows, pigs and oxen.
>
> On page 162 of the on-line English version, while
> speaking of "wild oxen," Kalm explicitly wrote:
> "...the American species of oxen is Linneaus's Bos
> bison."
>
> tk

But that was not American species of oxen he spoke of on page 76-77 in
volume 4 edition. He made a distinction.

And btw. there is one other thing you ought to look closer on. While reading
Kalm please note where he saw 'Swedish' common juniper and take a look at
this map while doing so.
http://linnaeus.nrm.se/flora/barr/cupressa/junip/junicomv.jpg

Inger E
PS. common juniper's berries as well as the bush's needles were used in
cooking as well as for medical treatment at least since Viking Age here in
Scandinavia.
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