Re: The first Swedes + seed

From: Seppo Renfors (Renfors_at_not.com.au)
Date: 02/09/05

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    benlizross wrote:
    >
    > Daryl Krupa wrote:
    > >
    > > Tom McDonald wrote:
    > > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
    > > >
    > > > <snip>
    > > >
    > > > > A 1904 map:
    > > > > http://tinyurl.com/4fvel
    > > >
    > > > That's a *1704* map.
    > > >
    > > > > According to that map "southern Canada" is in TEXAS!
    > > > >
    > > > > A 1912 map:
    > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6wukt
    > > > > Almost the modern borders on this.
    > > >
    > > > That's a *1712* map.
    > > >
    > > > Nice site, Seppo. Thanks for that.
    > > >
    > > > <snip>
    > >
    > > Tom, just so you aren't taken in by the rest of
    > > what Seppo wrote, either, you should look a this
    > > entry from the Canadian Encyclopedia:
    > >
    > > http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&ArticleId=A0001216
    > >
    > > "As French explorers and fur traders pushed ever
    > > westward and southward, the area to which the name
    > > Canada applied increased rapidly, but its extent
    > > seems never to have been defined officially.
    > > In March 1762, after the CONQUEST, General Thomas
    > > GAGE informed General Jeffery AMHERST that the
    > > limits between Canada and Louisiana had never been
    > > clearly described.
    > > He could only state "what were generally believed
    > > ... to have been the Boundaries of Canada & give
    > > you my own Opinion."
    > > He judged "not only the [Great] Lakes, which are
    > > Indisputable, but the whole Course of the
    > > Mississippi from its Heads to its Junction with
    > > the Illinois" had been considered by the French
    > > to be part of Canada.
    > > This may be one reason why Britain temporarily
    > > abandoned the name and called the colony the
    > > Province of Québec."
    > >
    > > From another site:
    > >
    > > "When the French explorer Jacques Cartier travelled
    > > up the St. Lawrence River in 1534, he asked the
    > > indigenous peoples what they called their land.
    > > They answered "Kanata". In Huron-Iroquois the word
    > > meant village, but Cartier wrote "Canada" on his
    > > map for the whole country."
    > >
    > > And so the French got into the habit of calling
    > > all of the area around les grand lacs and riviere
    > > St-Laurent "Canada". And maybe even extended the
    > > meaning to Nouveau Orleans, et la meme chose a
    > > St-Albert (just northwest of the birthplace of
    > > the Canadian Encyclopedia).
    > >
    > > Trust me, I've lived all my life in Canada.
    > >
    >
    > Just happened to be leafing through J.R.Forster's English translation of
    > Kalm (1770) as revised and expanded by Adolph B.Benson and reprinted by
    > Dover. He hasn't even got to Montreal yet, but on his way he talks about
    > findings of the bones of huge ancient animals "...in that part of Canada
    > where the Illinois live." And Forster adds a helpful footnote: "The
    > country of the Illinois is on the river Ohio..." (v.1, ppp.378-9).

    That "clarification" certainly doesn't concur with maps cited by me -
    or that one eliminated by Tom above:
    http://tinyurl.com/65zuq

    The area in those maps is modern day Illinois, and centred on the
    Illinois river - not the Ohio, which is the Southern and Eastern
    extreme of their land.

    -- 
    SIR - Philosopher unauthorised 
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