Re: The first Swedes + seed
From: Seppo Renfors (Renfors_at_not.com.au)
Date: 02/09/05
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:39:22 GMT
benlizross wrote:
>
> Daryl Krupa wrote:
> >
> > Tom McDonald wrote:
> > > Seppo Renfors wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > A 1904 map:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/4fvel
> > >
> > > That's a *1704* map.
> > >
> > > > According to that map "southern Canada" is in TEXAS!
> > > >
> > > > A 1912 map:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/6wukt
> > > > Almost the modern borders on this.
> > >
> > > That's a *1712* map.
> > >
> > > Nice site, Seppo. Thanks for that.
> > >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > Tom, just so you aren't taken in by the rest of
> > what Seppo wrote, either, you should look a this
> > entry from the Canadian Encyclopedia:
> >
> > http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&ArticleId=A0001216
> >
> > "As French explorers and fur traders pushed ever
> > westward and southward, the area to which the name
> > Canada applied increased rapidly, but its extent
> > seems never to have been defined officially.
> > In March 1762, after the CONQUEST, General Thomas
> > GAGE informed General Jeffery AMHERST that the
> > limits between Canada and Louisiana had never been
> > clearly described.
> > He could only state "what were generally believed
> > ... to have been the Boundaries of Canada & give
> > you my own Opinion."
> > He judged "not only the [Great] Lakes, which are
> > Indisputable, but the whole Course of the
> > Mississippi from its Heads to its Junction with
> > the Illinois" had been considered by the French
> > to be part of Canada.
> > This may be one reason why Britain temporarily
> > abandoned the name and called the colony the
> > Province of Québec."
> >
> > From another site:
> >
> > "When the French explorer Jacques Cartier travelled
> > up the St. Lawrence River in 1534, he asked the
> > indigenous peoples what they called their land.
> > They answered "Kanata". In Huron-Iroquois the word
> > meant village, but Cartier wrote "Canada" on his
> > map for the whole country."
> >
> > And so the French got into the habit of calling
> > all of the area around les grand lacs and riviere
> > St-Laurent "Canada". And maybe even extended the
> > meaning to Nouveau Orleans, et la meme chose a
> > St-Albert (just northwest of the birthplace of
> > the Canadian Encyclopedia).
> >
> > Trust me, I've lived all my life in Canada.
> >
>
> Just happened to be leafing through J.R.Forster's English translation of
> Kalm (1770) as revised and expanded by Adolph B.Benson and reprinted by
> Dover. He hasn't even got to Montreal yet, but on his way he talks about
> findings of the bones of huge ancient animals "...in that part of Canada
> where the Illinois live." And Forster adds a helpful footnote: "The
> country of the Illinois is on the river Ohio..." (v.1, ppp.378-9).
That "clarification" certainly doesn't concur with maps cited by me -
or that one eliminated by Tom above:
http://tinyurl.com/65zuq
The area in those maps is modern day Illinois, and centred on the
Illinois river - not the Ohio, which is the Southern and Eastern
extreme of their land.
-- SIR - Philosopher unauthorised ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is misled. -----------------------------------------------------------------
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