Re: The first Swedes + seed

From: Alaca (P.Alaca_at_is.invalid)
Date: 02/11/05 

Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:39:56 +0100

David B wrote in: EA_Od.13$vc3.0@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net,

> Daryl Krupa wrote in message
>>
>> Philip Deitiker wrote:
>>>
>>> In sci.archaeology, Alaca created a message
>>>>
>>>> I guess you are right.
>>>> What I realy meant with "not far from Quebec" is that I think
>>>> Danish River was maybe close enough for musk-oxen to
>>>> come down in winter. But I realy don't know if they did.
>>>
>>> During the cold period between the 14th and 18th century it is
>>> likely they did come south during really harsh winters.
>>
>> No, it is not.
>> They cannot abide deep snow, and
>> they require tundra vegetation.
>> They can not occupy areas
>> south of the continental treeline.
>
> Whoah! Before everybody gets hopelessly bogged down in this,
> remember that Inger's original passage from Kalm quoted the source
> for the Hudson Bay cattle story:
> "som finnas i Recueil des voyages au nord om oxar och boskap vid
> Hudson Bayye"
> And we have established that J. Bernard's 18th century "recueil"
> does indeed contain pictures of wild cattle (allegedly common to
> Hudson Bay and the Mississippi valley, but this may be confusion on
> the part of the caption-writer), linked to the text of Jeremie's
> description of the Hudson Bay area, where he worked in the French
> trading system in rivalry to the HBC. Jeremie's text mentions
> musk-ox around Hudson Bay- but it has nothing whatsoever to do with
> the Quebec area. It only came to the attention of Kalm in Quebec
> via the "Recueil".
>
> David B.

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                        Cattle and Wild animals
     in 1650 mentioned by Adriaen van der Donck
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The tame cattle are in size and other respects about the
same as in the Netherlands, but the English cattle and swine
thrive and grow best, appearing to be better suited to the
country than those from Holland. They require, too, less
trouble, expense and attention; for it is not necessary in
winter to look after such as are dry, or the swine, except
that in the time of a deep snow they should have some
attention. Milch cows also are much less trouble than they
are in Holland, as most of the time, if any care be requisite,
it is only for the purpose of giving them occasionally a
little hay.

The wild animals are principally lines (puma), but they are few;
bears, of which there are many, elks and deer in great numbers,
some of which are entirely white, and others wholly black.
The savages say that the white deer are of very great
consequence in the estimation of the other deer, and are
exceedingly beloved, regarded and honored by the others, but
that the reverse is true of the black deer. There are various
other large animals in the interior, but they are unknown to
the Christians. There are also wolves, dangerous only to
small cattle, beavers, otters, weasels, wild cats, foxes,
raccoons, minks, hares, musk-rats, about as large as cats,
pole-cats and squirrels, some of which can fly. There are
also ground-hogs and other small animals, but they are for
the most part, as we have said, not known to the Christians.

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Adriaen van der Donck, 1650
The Representation of New Netherland concerning its
Location, Productiveness, and Poor Condition.
New York, 1909.
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