Re: Elephant/Mammoth NA

From: zolota (zolota3_at_REMOVEshaw.ca)
Date: 02/21/05 

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:09:15 GMT

"I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote in message
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> "zolota" <zolota3@REMOVEshaw.ca> skrev i meddelandet
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>> "I.E_Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote in message
>> news:SHiQd.130480$dP1.466382@newsc.telia.net...
>> > Among all interesting things that Kalm noted is one story a liutenant
>> > at
>> > Fort St. Frederique told him.
>> > Swedish text:
>> > "Benrangel af en elephant har man för några år tillbaka funnit här i
>> > Cannada
>> > vid den ort der illinois bo; en a lieutenanterna, som voror här i
>> > fästningen, hade sedt det samma med egna ögon; indianerne, som då voro
>> > med,
>> > hade funnit det uti et moras; de voro mycket hämpna öfver detta, och
> viste
>> > ej hvad de skulla säja derom; när man frågade dem hvad de mente detta
>> > skulle
>> > vara, svarade de, at den måste vara benranglet af maitre de tous les
>> > castors; det har varit fasel. stort; man kunde dydel. se hela snabelen,
>> > fast
>> > den nu var utruten; den hade tiocka och half alns långa stora snöhvita
>> > tänder; man hölt före, at det var benranglet af en elephant...."
>> >
>> > Short summery in English. Indians living in the place/village where the
>> > Illinois live had found a skeleton in a morass area. A lieutenant at
> Fort
>> > St
>> > Frederique told Kalm he had seen it with his own eyes. The Indians were
>> > asked and thought it to be a "maitre de tous les castors". The
> lieutenant
>> > said that the snable was well recognisable and that those who saw the
>> > skeleton thought it to be of an elephant.
>> >
>> > I guess it must be a mammoth they found? Anyhow here are my questions:
>> > * Has there ever been an American Elephant?
>> > * Given that we aren't speaking of areas with permafrost what is it in
>> > morass that make the skeleton remain intact and has many alike
>> > elephants/mammoths been found in NA.
>> > Distribution?
>>
>> http://www.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/hhistory/mammoth/mammothstory.html
>>
>> Basically Inger, they were all over the continent, the above is merely a
>> good site from the NW pacific coast. In the American state of Nebraska it
> is
>> estimated that the average sized house has a 20% chance of having a
> mammoth
>> skeleton underneath it. That's how common they were.
>>
>> There is a story that they survived until the Norse taught the indigenous
>> how to hunt them, the jury is out on that.
>
> Must have been out long enought to form a record :-)

Do you know which music studio would have cut the record?

Oddly enough, first nations legends here talk about mammoths still existing
here in British Columbia. Given the exploration that has taken place, that
seems unlikely. So why the legends? I assume that there were a few frozen
specimens that ancients saw. No frozen elephants have ever been found here
AFAIK, but to the north the state of Alaska does have them. They might have
known of skeletons weathering out of the ground as are know today across
much of North America.

Had every buffalo known on the continent been exterminated around 1900 the
US army might have been happy. But a previously unknown herd of wood buffalo
(we have two surviving species of at least three at European contact) was
discovered in Alberta in the 1960's. It's conceivable that our Bison could
have gone from extinct to a re-discovered and very much alive species.

What if it had been a herd of Mammuthus Columbi instead?

Of course I wish........ LOL

Z

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