Re: Hexagrams [was Re: hypothetical Yangshao calendar (early China)]

From: Peter T. Daniels (grammatim_at_worldnet.att.net)
Date: 03/06/05 

Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 13:42:12 GMT

Comm wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:422A2931.6E98@worldnet.att.net...
> > Comm wrote:
> >>
> >> <a.manansala@attbi.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1109914544.223246.291120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > What do you mean it is misleading.
> >> >
> >> > What do the trigrams represent then?
> >> >
> >> I can't draw hexagrams on here,
> >
> > Why not? Here are a few:
> >
> > --- --- --- ---
>
> I have a font that gives them. Why not? Because. Why? Because. I'd have
> to put them in the text, between words, where they belonged. They'd have to
> be as small as the printed words. Why? Because. Get lost in because then.
> You do.
>
> You know, you have gone out of your way to take this way further than just
> some inability you have to agree to disagree on the whole NON issue of
> Sumer/Tatar/Austronesian/China etc debate. Cultural contact versus - what
> would amount to morphogenesis.

Do you know what "morphogenesis" means?

> You asked me for a url to novel - I gave it, as if you had any sincere
> intention of real interest. You proceed to trash creative writing that was
> given very good rating on amazom (who upped the price on it).

No, I didn't look at the "amazom" listing. Amazon takes too long to
load.

> You asked me about music. You do not figure that I can naturally play the
> pieces in order to change them into dance music. You trash me instead.
> I've written and sold music - and no, I will not give you a url, not now.
> Sucker me once, never twice. You are also apparently the type to claim that
> people like "The Beatles" are not musicians - or that Jack Benny was not a
> musician, or maybe even claim that John Coltrane didn't write music or

It's usually said that Jack Benny _could_ play the violin adequately,
but he never did so in public because it would destroy the shtik.

> wasn't a musician. I am a musician. I've had classical training. I
> **prefer** ballroom music and mentioned some beautiful songs by name,
> tangos. There is no law saying I can't take pieces that I can play and
> change them. I strongly doubt that Chopin would mind if he was alive. The

I suppose he wouldn't mind if you paid him for the right to manipulate
his work.

> man had a life, he danced and loved - and I'm sure he'd love the samba and

AIUI he was mostly too ill to dance.

> tango. He was not some stodgy idiot guffawing over the "Classics." I'd

"The 'Classics'" didn't exist in Chopin's lifetime. Attention was not
paid to music of previous generations.

> have to be able to play them in order to change them or play them any other
> way. I can tell you, playing FanImp by Chopin as a samba was a LOT harder
> than playing it straight - and I mean the entire piece. There is just
> something about a rhythm machine in the background, relentlessly beating out
> a rhythm that makes FI a lot harder to play - considering how fast the piece

Inappropriateness?

> is - and having to change what the left hand is doing to chords. A lot
> harder. I even had to slow it down since the speed was too fast for a
> samba - and still, it was a lot harder to play as a samba than play
> straight. I couldn't quite figure out why, either. Perhaps because I'm
> used to playing it straight. Also I know because the keyboard revoices
> chords so that what I'm actually hitting with my fingers is not what I
> expect to come out. That plus that relentless beat.

Those sound like excellent reasons for not forcing Chopin into a
ballroom-dance mode.

> You know, if you had been a HUMAN BEING, I'd have sincerely asked you which
> rendering of Passacaglia in C minor you liked best. But others are reading.

I certainly haven't heard every recording of that work, but I like
Rübsam's latest recordings (the incomplete Naxos series).

> That, plus the A minor Adagio from Bach's Tocatta Adagio and Fugue in C
> major (as played by E. Power Biggs only) are my two and only favorite Bach
> organ pieces. I pass on all the others. But I can see this is a waste of
> time to ask you. I can't even say something without you either misreading
> it or misquoting it on purpose. (MY mistake, on c 256 - comes from doing
> two things at once).
>
> For anyone else interested, I think E. Power Biggs's Passacaglia Cm Bach was
> the best I ever heard. The only rendering of Passacaglia in Cm I can say
> actually tops that is one I downloaded in a little midi file. Every single
> note is so clear, so precise and crisp - it gives me the chills to hear it.
> And I also think that is one of the most beautiful pieces ever written. If
> anyone wants a copy of it, say so here if you are reading this. I can email
> it, it's small enough (150 or so kb). The Fugue is included. The file is
> no longer up at any midi site - I have it.

Biggs was very important in the 1950s; he introduced Baroque-style
organs to the US, and made very popular recordings that Sony does not
reprint. By the time I heard him play (in the dedication recital series
for the gallery organ at St. Thomas Church on Fifth Avenue), he really
couldn't any more. That was 1971 or 1972.

And a great deal has been learned about performance practice since his
pioneering days; you might find more recent recordings (such as Fagius's
complete set on BIS) illuminating.

> You are a very mean spirited person, Peter. I would assume that you have
> real problems in real life agreeing to disagree - and that would mean that
> if a colleague of yours in a university strongly disagreed with everything
> you said - and you found out he liked ballroom dancing, you'd trash his
> likes and even try to say he can't dance, or something dumb like that.

I haven't the slightest interest in ballroom dancing.

> I can hate a person's guts because they murdered my dog and ripped me off
> and vandalized my car. But if that person can do something, or if that
> person is handsome or pretty, my opinion does not change becaue I hate the
> person. I don't immediately look for argument, even when the person has
> been so bad toward me. It's just not my nature - and maybe that's my
> problem. You hate me - that is MORE than obvious to any objective reader.
> Can you even own up to that? I think not, you'll hide behind a joke. Yet
> you have no real reason at all. You have problems - that's for sure - and I
> doubt they have a thing to do with some silly debate or repeated posts or
> old information or whatever else your superficial gripe is.

Sorry about your dog.

> And when you want to know "What is your cultural attitude toward raising
> children?" you do not ask "Have you beaten and abused your kids lately?"

Of course not; those are two different questions. 

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Peter T. Daniels                       grammatim@att.net