Re: TiO2 and bogus claims

From: I.E_Johansson (inger_e.johansson_at_telia.com)
Date: 03/13/05 

Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:22:08 GMT

"Doug Weller" <dweller@ramtops.removethisdemon.co.uk> skrev i meddelandet
news:vt7631ltot9i2ra7fhqn6e4hghhrld5s5s@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:20:30 GMT, in sci.archaeology, I.E_Johansson wrote:
>
> >Seppo,
> >somehow I wonder how it's possible for scholars of science to have missed
> >the most basic knowledge of logic analyses. There are two things to be
said
> >either nothing exists at all, or if it exists that's a fact for proving
the
> >existence.
>
> Funny how you are friendly with one of the major abusers on this
> newsgroup.

I am friendly with those who behave friendly towards me. I tell them in
private as they do to me if there is things in writing or behavior I or they
don't like.

As for your paragraph above, you appear to be making some sort
> of abstruse philosophical comment or you are having difficulty expressing
> yourself.

No Doug,
I most certainly don't have problem expressing myself. If you had had
lessons all way from Grammar school up in Logic Analyzes, Science Methods
and Logic Semantic, you wouldn't have had problems understanding. Can't help
if you in your subjects haven't had to have such courses each season and for
every subject studied on University. I can't say I alway loved Popper and
the others, nor that I found the Philosophy course's argumentation
methodology the most interesting on this Earth. But it's good to have had
such courses, not only have had studied, attended and discussed as well.

Inger E
> >
> >What Ken managed to do is:
> >a) Say that:
> >"McCulloch takes issue with a statement that rounded anatase particles do
> >not appear in nature."
> ><1110398213.605527.202310@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
> >
> >b) "Anatase particles having all of these properties can only have been
> >derived from a 20th century source because of the several important and
> >sequential steps that are required in their formation."
> >http://webexhibits.org/vinland/paper-towe90.html
> >
> >but as you refered he also wrote:
> >""Again, McCulloch desires that I discuss something not raised in Mrs.
> >Olin's paper. Unfortunately, and despite my repeated efforts asking him
to
> >do so, he refuses to reveal, in fairness, that "in nature" such
> >particles are a VERY minor component"
> >
> >The statements above are contradictive which gives that a) and b) can't
be
> >true at the same time.
> >Either anatase can or it can't exist in nature.
> >We know it can.
> >Either anatase can or can't exist in same sizes as found on VM.
> >As shown by Prof Hu McCullough the sizes of anatase found on VM can be
found
> >in nature.
> >Thus the assumption that it can't falls and can't be followed up in no
way
> >by adding the last argument "such particles are a VERY minor component"
> >While that statement could be true or false it's the argument is unproven
> >and can't be used as an valid argument proving anything at all without
usage
> >of circle proof as it stands.
> >
> >As long as the naysayers of Vinland map haven't shown that they are aware
of
> >how the sand-kaolin was washed, filtered, dried, and then washed,
filtered
> >other size filter and finally dried before being used on ink in Medieval
> >Age,
>
> What Ken has written is that " It stretches one's belief
> beyond credibility to accept that a very minor component of natural
> sediments could appear repeatedly by itself, completely free of the
> major component."
>
> That seems a reasonable statement which you seem to have misunderstood
> (and Ken did rewrite his post to make it clearer, so there's no problem if
> you did misunderstand him).
>
> It is up to you if you disagree to offer evidence explaining the absence
> of clay, not for others to look at every possible example of parchment and
> ink, etc in any particular related time span.
>
> >as long as the naysayers can't present one single comparative study
either
> >from a Scandinavian church parchment of 1400's (for example the document
> >written by the Swedish Bishop presented at the Counsile) or at least one
of
> >the other documents written at the Counsile in 1400's, they aren't able
to
> >prove anything at all in regards of Vinland map's origin.
>
> No, it's up to you to show how you get anatase but no evidence of
> associated clay.
> >
> >I know that it existed such a map, I know the full background for the map
as
> >do many others here in Scandinavia. That said I don't know if that map
and
> >the Vinland map is one and the same. Knowing isn't the same as proving.
> >
> If many others know about it, then I am sure you can point to easily
> obtainable sources where we can read about it (and even if they are not in
> English I'm sure someone will translate it for us).
>
> Doug
>
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>
>

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