Re: Greenland, Vinland and the Vinland map - part 1

From: Alan Crozier (name1.name2_at_telia.com)
Date: 03/22/05 

Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:12:42 GMT

"Inger E. Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@telia.com> wrote in message
news:e385412c9173448a713084f95238782d.16462@mygate.mailgate.org...
> ARCHAEOLOGY AND WRITTEN SOURCES.
> PART 1 HISTORIANS, WRITERS AND EYEWITNESS
<snip>
>
> 'HELGANES'
> "Variis deinde conflictationibus inter se agentes Magnus et Sveino plura
> proelia gesserunt in diversis locis, quorum maxima ista fuerunt: apud
> Helganes." (Historia Norwegica, 1880 page 48, )
> and
> "oc andaŝese Knutr fvrri, en Amgnus toc ŝa uiŝ Danmore fvr vtan
> gagnmĉli. Ŝviat svner bartŝu manna uoro i gislinginne. Enn ŝa er Sveinn
> sunr Ulfs oc Astriŝar systor Knúts rikia spurŝi ŝetta i Englandi. Ŝa
> aflaŝi haun allauega hers er hann matti, en Magnus at moti oc funuse a
> scipom uiŝ nes ŝat er callat er Helganes oc heido bardaga oc flvŝi
> Sveinn til Vinlandz"(Agrip 57-58; Note 6)
> Then there is Ivar Bardson's words:
> "Item ĝster lennger till isbergenn ligger en haffn som heder Fimbuder,
> saa kallit forthi at vdj Sancti Oluffs tiid brĝd ther et skib, som
> almindeligh rĝgt ganger end vdj dagh vdj Grĝnland, och paa det skiib
> vaar Sancti Oluffs smaa suend, och hand drucknede ther med
> andre.."(Bardarson Ivar, Finnur Jónsson's edition 1930, page 21 line
> 5-13)
>
> What we got is a possible indication for that there might have existed a
> now lost source which say that Svein Estridson did go to Greenland and
> Vinland. But wait a minuit.

Yes, wait a minute here. What exactly in Ivar's words do you see as an
indication that Svein Estridson went to Greenland? Are you suggesting that
the words "smaa suend" refer to Sveinn?

Alan 

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Alan Crozier
Lund
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