Re: Greeks

From: Philip Deitiker (Donevenask_at_worlnet.att.net)
Date: 03/27/05 

Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:26:59 GMT

"Uwe Müller" <uwemueller@snafu.de> says in
news:3anrp3F6b1ebkU1@uni-berlin.de:

>
> "pixi" <pixi@hardynet.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:1c91b$4246b0f5$3f5c95f3$30654@API-DIGITAL.COM...
>> How crass!! Alexander was said to be a blond.
>
> He wasn't a greek but conquered them. He came from a royal
> house, his people were the macedons.

I don't know how you could say that, just because his daddy's name
was Philip of Macedonia.

Being a biochemist and all I can't make any great pontifications
about history. But as I recall correctly classical greek history is
devided into 2 periods. The first period extended from prehistoric
times up to Alexander the Great and was characterized by the Minoan
or islandic culture. Now according to what I have seen, being no
expert and all that, that a Dorian culture moved south during the
later part of this first period and is responsible for early classic
greek culture and alot of the greek archetecture we are familiar with
(a.k.a. Doric archetecture). There are some that claim that this
doric culture has some connection with the urnfeild culture, that is
also attributed to celtic culture later. At least the genetics does
not contradict this.
  The second period was the Hellenist period initiated by Philip of
Macedonia and Alexander the Great. There appear to be similiarities
between this people both at the linguistic and genetic levels to
italians.
  To the extent that there has been an expansion of celts, my opinion
is that the genetic expansion was limited to the valleys of austria
and switzerland and this then washes culturally over into gallia. You
probably have a fair number of red head and blond haired individuals
in that collection. The claim is that the celtic expansion begins
about the same time as the doric expansion, however I think these are
probably related peoples expanding in a radial fashion. We can also
look at the changed of the hattitic and hittitic peoples in anatolia
a few hundred years earlier.
 
  There is also another issue. In the period preceding the celtic
expansion into western europe, there is evidence at the genetic level
of population outflows from the Islandic Regions. For example
Ireland, Cornwall appear to be nodal in several HLA types, indicating
a degree of isolation and gene frequencies subside heading southward
for super B8. In the Norse, which are convincingly an admixture
between the Islandic peoples and eastern europeans about 66:33 and
from the Norse these genes reach other peoples in eastern europe.
Exceptionally however are the Swiss and to the level the balkans.
Looking at these haplotypes one is lead to an opinion that there was
a second, non or pre Norse migration into the heart of europe focused
particularly on the highland regions. Selective advantage may be at
the heart of this, because during the last interglacial all the
highland areas of western europe would have been summarily evacuated,
and as they thawed initial access may have been from the west, but
the more NW europeans, having with stood some of the harshest
condition may have been more suited for life in the alpine regions
relative to other groups, so that there was a selective expansion.
We can also look at the Tyrollian Ice man and a possible displacement
that was occuring after the onset of the bronze age.

  If the above were the case, then one could may the case that people
of fair complexion and hair color might have reached into and
occupied the cooler and more mountainous regions of europe being
somewhat isolated from the rest of europe. People in such regions
would be more reliant on hunting and foraging than farming. [Which
explains the high frequency of the DQ2.5 <GSE vulnerability> in these
peoples], and secondarily pastoral herding. Such skills are also good
for warfare.

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