Re: Greeks

From: Larry C. Lyons (LarryCLyons_at_someoneElse.Invalid)
Date: 03/28/05 

Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:48:25 GMT

Philip Deitiker wrote:
> "Uwe Müller" <uwemueller@snafu.de> says in
> news:3anrp3F6b1ebkU1@uni-berlin.de:
>
>
>>"pixi" <pixi@hardynet.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:1c91b$4246b0f5$3f5c95f3$30654@API-DIGITAL.COM...
>>
>>>How crass!! Alexander was said to be a blond.
>>
>>He wasn't a greek but conquered them. He came from a royal
>>house, his people were the macedons.
>
>
> I don't know how you could say that, just because his daddy's name
> was Philip of Macedonia.
>
> Being a biochemist and all I can't make any great pontifications
> about history. But as I recall correctly classical greek history is
> devided into 2 periods. The first period extended from prehistoric
> times up to Alexander the Great and was characterized by the Minoan
> or islandic culture. Now according to what I have seen, being no
> expert and all that, that a Dorian culture moved south during the
> later part of this first period and is responsible for early classic
> greek culture and alot of the greek archetecture we are familiar with
> (a.k.a. Doric archetecture). There are some that claim that this
> doric culture has some connection with the urnfeild culture, that is
> also attributed to celtic culture later. At least the genetics does
> not contradict this.
> The second period was the Hellenist period initiated by Philip of
> Macedonia and Alexander the Great. There appear to be similiarities
> between this people both at the linguistic and genetic levels to
> italians.
> To the extent that there has been an expansion of celts, my opinion
> is that the genetic expansion was limited to the valleys of austria
> and switzerland and this then washes culturally over into gallia. You
> probably have a fair number of red head and blond haired individuals
> in that collection. The claim is that the celtic expansion begins
> about the same time as the doric expansion, however I think these are
> probably related peoples expanding in a radial fashion. We can also
> look at the changed of the hattitic and hittitic peoples in anatolia
> a few hundred years earlier.
>
> There is also another issue. In the period preceding the celtic
> expansion into western europe, there is evidence at the genetic level
> of population outflows from the Islandic Regions. For example
> Ireland, Cornwall appear to be nodal in several HLA types, indicating
> a degree of isolation and gene frequencies subside heading southward
> for super B8. In the Norse, which are convincingly an admixture
> between the Islandic peoples and eastern europeans about 66:33 and
> from the Norse these genes reach other peoples in eastern europe.
> Exceptionally however are the Swiss and to the level the balkans.
> Looking at these haplotypes one is lead to an opinion that there was
> a second, non or pre Norse migration into the heart of europe focused
> particularly on the highland regions. Selective advantage may be at
> the heart of this, because during the last interglacial all the
> highland areas of western europe would have been summarily evacuated,
> and as they thawed initial access may have been from the west, but
> the more NW europeans, having with stood some of the harshest
> condition may have been more suited for life in the alpine regions
> relative to other groups, so that there was a selective expansion.
> We can also look at the Tyrollian Ice man and a possible displacement
> that was occuring after the onset of the bronze age.
>
> If the above were the case, then one could may the case that people
> of fair complexion and hair color might have reached into and
> occupied the cooler and more mountainous regions of europe being
> somewhat isolated from the rest of europe. People in such regions
> would be more reliant on hunting and foraging than farming. [Which
> explains the high frequency of the DQ2.5 <GSE vulnerability> in these
> peoples], and secondarily pastoral herding. Such skills are also good
> for warfare.
>

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

larry 

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