Solutrean (was:Re: Extent of Canadian Ice (some exerpts)

From: Dar Habel (Dar_83001_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 03/29/05 

Date: 29 Mar 2005 07:01:41 -0800

Philip Deitiker wrote:
[SNIP]
> Here again emphasizing some points in the paper.
>
> 1. From 27 to the past 24 kya the extent of glaciation was increasing
> 2. Implicitly this indicates a climactic deteroiration.
> 3. Is corroborated by the demise of Soluterean culture in europe.

Phil,

I don't want to get engaged in this discussion, but I have been
following it closely. There is one point in your argument with which I
object, that being your persistent incorrect usage of the term
Solutrean, its geographic extent and its chronology. In generally
accepted usage, Solutrean (a tradition, really) is geographically
restricted to a globally rather small region of Western Europe with a
core area in southern France and extending into the Iberian peninsula.
It follows the Gravettian in this region (at Lagar Velho, Portugal, the
Gravettian burial is about 24.5 rcyrBP, followed by the Solutrean at
about 23-22 rcyrBP). The Solutrean does not begin anywhere earlier than
about 23-22 rcyrBP, but is found latest in some sites of France until
about 17 rcyrBP. It is most closely associated with the deteriorating
climate of OIS 2, which culminated in the LGM.
Your use of Solutrean to describe a culture existing in East Asia is
not a proper use of the term as it is generally defined by
paleoanthropologists. Perhaps your usage of Solutrean is referring to
some sort of trans-Eurasian geneflow you see, but you cannot associate
this as being a transfer of the Solutrean tradition of France and
Iberia to eastern Asia.

At least not in the conventional use of terms which make it possible
for others to understand what is being discussed. More specifically,
my response here is mainly to correct the dating you refer to above.
27-24 ka does not correspond with the demise of Solutrean culture in
Europe. Again I say, Solutrean in Europe has a total duration
beginning no earlier than about 23 ka and ending about 17 ka. So your
statement no. 1 above is not corroborated by statement no. 3 above.
And you really should consider not referring anymore to a Far East
Asian Solutrean culture (unless you can demonstrate a connection with
the generally recognized Western European Solutrean). Of course, if
you want to rewrite the text books so that a Soultrean tradition of
your definition exists in East Asia, be my guest.

Cheers,
Dar

Dar

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