Re: The Vinland Map's Ink

On 7 Apr 2005 08:07:57 -0700, "Ken Towe" <ken.towe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>Thank you, Tom. I'm still reading alot of bobbing-and-weaving and some
>incredibly misinformed "arguments" and assertions, but no answer to my
>request. If the VM is authentic there must be some rational explanation
>for it. Those who support that point of view are free to use whatever
>sources of information that they feel are valid to explain the
>APPEARANCE and the COMPOSITION of the ink, but so far, I've not seen a
>coherent scenario presented that does this. I've seen a blizzard of
>criticisms of those who question the map, their motives, their studies,
>but no logical, coherent alternative scenario. Bear in mind, of course,
>that whatever alternative explanation is offered will, itself, be "fair
>game" and will be subject to scrutiny in the same way as the works of
>McCrone or Cahill or others who have actually seen the map and
>published on it. Alternatives will not be immune from questions of
>their own. For example, if one wishes to use a 1-3% material from a
>kaolin clay sediment to explain the anatase in the underlying ink,
>that's fair. However, it will be equally fair for others to ask how
>this anatase can be completely freed from the kaolinite (97-99%) in the
>TEM photos of McCrone and in the X-ray diffraction patterns of McCrone.
>The clay mineralogists (e.g., Weaver) who have attempted to isolate
>this natural anatase have not been able to do so. They can, of course,
>upgrade it, but even their best attempts (using multiple techniques and
>methods that were not available in medieval times) will still have
>kaolinite flakes attached. These are seen in their electron microscope
>photos. They are NOT seen in McCrone's. They are not seen in the XRD or
>SAED patterns of McCrone. How, then, does one expect to find the
>anatase "needles" in the kaolin haystack without finding any of the
>kaolinite "hay" next to it? Again, where are the rationale
>explanations? Go ahead...use any "evidence" that you find to be valid,
>but don't expect it to be accepted free of critical evaluation. Perhaps
>that's the reason why nothing has been offered? It's much easier to sit
>back and throw verbal bricks than it is to offer a logical, internally
>consistent explanation for authenticity.
>
Should we not accept that the anatase is modern and go on from there?
As far as I can see, Olin's thesis in this regard has been shown to be
wrong.



Eric Stevens

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  • Re: The Vinland Maps Ink
    ... If the VM is authentic there must be some rational explanation ... this anatase can be completely freed from the kaolinite in the ... TEM photos of McCrone and in the X-ray diffraction patterns of McCrone. ...
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  • Re: The Vinland Map Find Or Fraud?
    ... > 1974 before Weaver found pigment-sized anatase in kaolinites). ... intellectually dishonest material on the Vinland Map. ... McCulloch takes issue with a statement that rounded anatase particles ... anatase without kaolinite is like finding a needle or two in a haystack ...
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  • Re: Vineland
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  • Re: The Vinland Maps Ink
    ... > Stating that natural anatase is "....vastly more likely than anything ... even consider any ink - or come anywhere near any ink. ... > separated from the bulk of the remaining kaolinite material. ... Cite the study you rely on to make that universal claim ...
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  • Re: The Vinland Map Find Or Fraud?
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