Re: The Vinland Map's Ink

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 06:00:29 GMT, in sci.archaeology, Alan Crozier wrote:

>"I.E_Johansson" <IEJohansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> "Alaca" <P.Alaca@xxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:42558728$0$66728$dbd49001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > I know what you told us that map is (or was), but you asked
>> > Ken Towe if he had acces to it, and AFAIK that map is
>> > "missing". Therefore I asked you where that map can be seen.
>> > And you gave no answer to that.
>>
>> No that map most certainly isn't missing. I had my present copy of it the
>> other week!
>
>Was that the one I sent you?

Is that this one?
http://cartography.geog.uu.nl/maphist/HungarianMapofVinland.pdf
>
>If you are only working from copies, how can you be sure the map is genuine?
>And how does a map supposedly from 1599 prove that a map supposedly 150
>years older is genuine?
>
>> It's still in same archieve as it was a few years ago when it
>> was spoken of. If someone there aren't willing to give a copy out that's
>> nothing I ever heard of.
>
>Your stubborn refusal to tell us the name of the archive leads to suspicion
>that you do not actually know. Stop bluffing and tell us, please.

Has this been mentioned?
The so-called Hungarian Vinland Map : a preliminary report / analyzed by
L. Stegena and E. Timár (Eötvös University, Budapest) ; with the help of
George D. Painter and Peter Hogg (British Museum, London). ? [Budapest :
Department of Cartography, Eötvös University, 1974]. ? 10 leaves, [1] leaf
of plates ; 29.5 cm. ? Paper presented to 7th Conference, International
Cartographic Association, Madrid, April - May 1974

It begins:-

?The so-called Hungarian Vinland map came to light in Hungary in the
[nineteen-]sixties, under hardly controllable and rather queer
circumstances. The measurement of the manuscript is 20.5 x 28.5 cm. In
all probability both its drawings and text elements derive from the same
hand. The map is evidently a copy, a derivate [!] of the Stefansson or
Skaholt or Vinland map (Royal Library, Kopenhagen, G.K.S.2880, 4o). In
proportion to the Skaholt map it contains some new, remarkable elements:
the Norman?s sea-routes towards England and the New World, as well as some
settlements on the territory of Greenland and North America. Because of
these and the fact, that the map was published many times and on [!] a
great number of languages, its analysis is necessary.?

Then follow sections/paragraphs on ?Projection?, ?Geographical elements?,
?The paper of the map?, ?The ink of the map?, ?The names in the map?,
?Cartouche?, ?Inscriptions on the edge of the map?, and ?Summary?.

The ?Acknowledgement? on leaf 10 is/are to ?Prof. Robinson (Univ. of
Wisconsin), Helene [!] C[!]. Wallis (British Museum), Prof. Haugen
(Harvard Univ.), Ib Ronne Kejlbo (Det kongelige Bibliotek, København), J.
Simoncic (Trnava), Gy. Gyorffy (Budapest), and Magnus B. Aase (Kongsberg)
for the helpful cooperation.?

Stegena evidently used the map as an illustration of 20th century
forgeries in a talk once.

Inger certainly does not know where the map is, if it even still exists.
She's bluffing.

Doug
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