Re: The Vinland Map's Ink

Doug Weller wrote:  1hbd51tb6i7el9mni4ege0gtqm66r900cq@xxxxxxx,

Alan Crozier wrote:
"I.E_Johansson" wrote
"Alaca" skrev 

I know what you told us that map is (or was), but you asked
Ken Towe if he had acces to it, and AFAIK that map is
"missing". Therefore I asked you where that map can be seen.
And you gave no answer to that.


No that map most certainly isn't missing.
I had my present copy of it the other week!

Was that the one I sent you? 

Is that this one?
http://cartography.geog.uu.nl/maphist/HungarianMapofVinland.pdf



Ah, at last (least) Mappa 56 as newspaper clipping!
Very good Dough, thank you. Far better then the link
David gave us some weeks ago.
I see no resemblance between this map and the
North-Atlantic part of the VM.
Now way the VM stood model for M56, now way
they had a common example.
And now way this is Inger's mappa 56.;-)

[...]
Has this been mentioned?
The so-called Hungarian Vinland Map : a preliminary report / analyzed
by L. Stegena and E. Timár (Eötvös University, Budapest) ; with the
help of George D. Painter and Peter Hogg (British Museum, London). -
[Budapest : Department of Cartography, Eötvös University, 1974]. - 10
leaves, [1] leaf of plates ; 29.5 cm. - Paper presented to 7th
Conference, International Cartographic Association, Madrid, April -
May 1974

It begins:-

"The so-called Hungarian Vinland map came to light in Hungary in the
[nineteen-]sixties, under hardly controllable and rather queer
circumstances.  The measurement of the manuscript is 20.5 x 28.5 cm.
In all probability both its drawings and text elements derive from
the same hand.  The map is evidently a copy, a derivate [!] of the
Stefansson or Skaholt or Vinland map (Royal Library, Kopenhagen,
G.K.S.2880, 4o).  In proportion to the Skaholt map it contains some
new, remarkable elements: the Norman's sea-routes towards England and
the New World, as well as some settlements on the territory of
Greenland and North America.  Because of these and the fact, that the
map was published many times and on [!] a great number of languages,
its analysis is necessary."

Then follow sections/paragraphs on 'Projection', 'Geographical
elements', 'The paper of the map', 'The ink of the map', 'The names
in the map', 'Cartouche', 'Inscriptions on the edge of the map', and
'Summary'.

The 'Acknowledgement' on leaf 10 is/are to "Prof. Robinson (Univ. of
Wisconsin), Helene [!] C[!]. Wallis (British Museum), Prof. Haugen
(Harvard Univ.), Ib Ronne Kejlbo (Det kongelige Bibliotek,
København), J. Simoncic (Trnava), Gy. Gyorffy (Budapest), and Magnus
B. Aase (Kongsberg) for the helpful cooperation."

Stegena evidently used the map as an illustration of 20th century
forgeries in a talk once.


Thank you. Almost all is new to me.

Inger certainly does not know where the map is, if it even still
exists. She's bluffing.


Inger has something to explain.

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- Peter Alaca -



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