Re: The Vinland Map's Ink

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 09:54:40 +0200, Thomas Zahr
<ThomasZahr0503@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>I.E_Johansson posted:
>
>> David,
>> you and Ken are making a hugh mistake believing that an
>> assumption from which you start your argumentation in
>> anyway could and can be used as proof. What's been done
>> from your side as well as from others who believe the VM to
>> be a forgery, is to forget that nothing what so ever has
>> been put on the table which can be used against VM no
>> matter if you refer to anatase - which exists in same size
>> in nature for example in parts of Norway, outside a
>> monestry in England as well as in two areas in the Alps
>> close to monestries; or it's your fictive trying to argue a
>> double ink - as long as the ink hasn't been identified,
>> AND
>> as long as double ink hasn't been proven to exist,
>> there is no way anyone using scholarly methods can use that
>> against VM! That's basic argumentation methods limits you
>> are trying to 'walk over'. You can't.
>>
>
>I'm sorry, but all this is besides the point.
>
>There are two possible scenarios:
>
>a) the map is authentic
>
>If the map is authentic, it must be possible to describe the
>process followed to produce it, taking all it's properties
>into account.

Hmm. Would you go so far as to say then that the Great Pyramid is a
fake?

>
>b) the map is a forgery
>
>If the map is a forgery, some of the properties of the map
>can be proven to be inconsistent with a medieaval date of
>origin.
>
>So the only hypotheses that is being taken here as a starting
>point is that the map is authentic. I'm not quite sure why
>you take exception with this particular hypotheses. Anyway,
>if this hyptotheses was right, there should be no problem (at
>least in principle) to do what Ken Towe asks. Potentially the
>description of the process would throw up new fields of
>investigation, but it might, again potentially, provide a
>less emotionally charged dialogue.




Eric Stevens

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