Re: The Vinland Map's Ink

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:28:41 -0400, "Steve Marcus"
<smarcus_spamout_@xxxxxxx> wrote:

>
>"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:epco51pa0r77suck4kdgukhv3h526co8t8@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On 12 Apr 2005 17:55:54 GMT, Philip Deitiker <Nopdeitik@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In sci.archaeology, Alaca created a message ID
>>>news:425c01b6$0$14492$dbd4b001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>>
>>>> Iron-gall inks came into use in the 9th century and by
>>>> the 11th century had largely replaced carbon inks as
>>>> a writing medium.
>>>> http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/don/dt/dt0583.html
>>>>
>>>> Examination of parchment manuscripts from the 9th
>>>> to 15th centuries indicate that all were written with
>>>> iron-gal inks in which no trace of carbon could be found.
>>>> Carbon inks, however, continued to be used for
>>>> documents...
>>>> http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/don/dt/dt1849.html
>>>>
>>>> Probably almost all later medieval manuscripts are
>>>> written with iron gall
>>>> http://www.ceu.hu/medstud/manual/MMM/ink.html
>>>
>>>My point to Eric is that the properties of the pyramids do not
>>>draw their stipulated origins into question. The properties of
>>>the Vinland map given the history of the period and its
>>>'deviant properties' do draw it up for questioning. And thus
>>>the question about the processes of how it was assembled
>>>deserves more attention than other cross-corroborating
>>>documents of the period.
>>
>> My point to Philip is that I was questioning the original logic of Ken
>> Towe. I no more believe that it is essential to know exactly how the
>> VM was done to establish it's authenticity (if that's what it is) than
>> it is necessary to know how the pyramids were built to establish their
>> authenticity.
>
>Except, of course, if you are discussing the issue with me. Then you were
>demanding that unless every aspect of how every feature of the VM was known,
>one couldn't establish that it was fake. Sauce for the goose, and all that
>jazz.

I doubt that it is accidental that you fail to acknowledge that the
discussion was taking place in the context which culminated in Ken
Towe writing:

"HOW TO MAKE A VINLAND MAP...
A scribe living in the 15th century took a clean piece of parchment
and.....then what happened? I'm waiting.

Anyone who is going to meet Ken's criteria has to be able to offer a
hypothesis which is consistent with the facts. My criticism has always
been that we do not have enough facts.

Now, stop bothering me with distortions.

>
>>>
>>> In a court of law one does not try everyone for every crime
>>>ever committed to see which one committed the crime, one
>>>selects amoung those who might have or probably committed a
>>>crime. This is the same thing, we don't need to question every
>>>historic documents origin just those that stand out as
>>>excessively deviant relative to the putative contemporary
>>>counterparts.
>>> The process by which the VM was made is both germane to its
>>>authenticity and if so disproven germane to the mode of
>>>disengenuine behaviors and mechanics that produced it.
>>
>> I agree with that too. But I still hold that first we must know much
>> more about the nature of the ink before we start worrying about how it
>> was made and applied.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Stevens
>
>Steve




Eric Stevens

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