Re: Trol
- From: Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2672@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:45:36 -0500
Alaca wrote:
Alan Crozier wrote: Dbm9e.22284$d5.163854@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Alaca" wrote
Alan Crozier wrote:
"Alaca" wrote.
I.E_Johansson wrote:
David, hadn't it been good had you learnt where the word troll and trolley came from back in old days? You haven't of course. Att 'trolla' = To Trolley cames from the days way back when Goths, Vikings and alike from different groups in the Old World used ropes and other things when transporting a ship or a boat over land. But the word 'Troll' /'Trull' is much older. It's one of the 'fornsvenska' as well as 'fornnordic' words.
Inger, Fornsvenska, fornnordic? Try forndutch for a change.
*Trol* [demon] {1837} <*oudnoors* /troll/ [monster, demon] (vgl. troel) mogelijk van dezelfde stam als /drol/
*Drol* [keutel, klein *** mannetje]{/drolle/ [kabouter] 1540, /droll/ [rond, ineengedraaid ding, keutel, kabouter]1599} de huidige betekenis 'klein', *** mannetje' is stellig dezelfde als de middeln. van kaboutertje, al heeft daarbij /trol/ wel invloed gehad. Afgeleid van /draaien/, d.i. een met *drillen* [boren] verwante vorm, vgl. *middelnl*. /dril/ [rond gat]: ook als grove draad van dezelfde herkomst *vgl. draad, draaien, dral, drollig*.
*Trolley* [wagentje dat langs kabel rijdt] {1901-1925} <*eng*. /trolley/ (rollen), dus: iets dat rolt
Een Belg zit in de trolley van Maastricht naar Venlo. Plotselig moet hij heel nodig naar het toilet, maar helaas zijn alle toiletten bezet. Ten einde raad deponeert hij zijn behoefte maar in zijn hoed en gooit het hele geval het raampje uit. In een Nederlands ochtendblad staat 's anderdaags te lezen:
"De politie zoekt mensen die inlichtingen kunnen verschaffen over een Belg die gisteren op het baanvak Maastricht-Venlo uit de trolley is gevallen of geduwd. Tot dusver zijn alleen zijn hoed en zijn hersenen gevonden. De rest van het lijk is nog spoorloos."
Alan
:-) That is what we call a Belgenmop.
Know any good Zweedsenmoppen?
Strange is that '/s anderdaags/ (next day) points to a Flemish source, or maybe pre-war Hollands. And trolley is as far as I know never used for a train,
That particular detail may have been changed to suit the thread
Sorry Alan but here you are 100% wrong. There are many more
sources than Dutch speaking scholars, no matter archaeology or
history normally knows about. I take it that you haven't read Imperial
Flandere message today 05,21 PM? Haven't seen you there anytime
btw so you obviously haven't read what one who knows these things
say in discussion. What you showed in your argumentation against
my capability of understanding is that you aren't prepared to take a
discussion where you need to put forward arguments supporting your
claim. Either you can or you can't. I am not the only one here who
thinks that an archaeologists needs good knowledge about a period's
written sources, given that there exist such, to be able to interpret correctly.
Your problem not mine!!!!
Be careful, Peter; your mind might freeze like that! :-)
<snip> -- Tom McDonald http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/ .
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