Re: Anatase present in many Ancient artifacts as well

On 20 Apr 2005 06:25:33 -0700, "Ken Towe" <ken.towe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>Thank you, Mr. Marcus! With respect to the Enterline theory, it has not
>yet been pointed out that nowhere has Jim Enterline ever presented any
>DATA to support his transfer hypothesis.

I know Enterline has made one or more preliminary trials. The problem
remains that that part of his hypothesis which explains how the
anatase became embedded in the ink cannot be properly tested until the
nature of the ink is better known.

>Why Mr. Stevens has not
>critized him for this is a puzzle. Enterline has presented some purely
>verbal descriptions of what happened when he made an experiment using
>"household bleach" (no source or concentration of sodium hypochlorite
>mentioned) on a "pure-tannin pseudo ink line on paper". There is no
>source or recipe given for the "pure-tannin" ink, nor is the paper he
>used described.

So you too would like more information.

>For the transfer he used a pigmented paper from a 1952
>Bible. There is no description of the pigment in this paper, much less
>a photo of the anatase presumed to be on it. There are no photos
>anywhere to support his hypothesis. And, of course, while he simply
>says that he tried his method on delimed parchment (with mixed
>results), there was never any carbon involved with his pseudo ink.
>Thus, his experiments are interesting, but standard scientific
>procedure would be to describe the materials and methods and then to
>present some data in support of the results. So far, he has failed to
>do so. If he is serious about this hypothesis (and I think that he is)
>then he needs to have it done in a rigorous scientific fashion, with
>peer-review. This will almost certainly require his collaboration with
>someone having the appropariate equipment and expertise. No "kitchen
>table" experiments without supporting data will ever be acceptable.
>
I can think of no reason why you should expect me to disagree with any
of the above. What is required is for someone with the necessary
equipment to repeat the experiment properly, with or without
Enterline, but preferably with, and make a quantitative assessment of
the results. At present the problem remains of producing an ink or
pigment for the experiment, which can be shown to be analogous to that
of the VM.



Eric Stevens

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