Re: Scholars and Theory of Science former Re: The Vinland Map's Ink


"Eric Stevens" <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:42:24 GMT, "I.E_Johansson"
> <I.Ejohansson@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >MR Towe,
> >I am not unwilling to participate in traditional scholarly discussion in
> >subject Medieval Documents.
> >But I have found that Mr Towe himself is unwilling to see that he doesn't
> >have any case to go on.
> >First Mr Towe, and others, said that anatase didn't exist before 1920.
>
> The picture that you have given of the views of Ken Towe, and others,
> is not correct. The argument is that the particular form of anatase
> reported by McCrone is not consistent with it being a natural product
> and is consistent with manufacture by a synthetic process developed
> after about 1920. Nobody is suggesting that anatase did not exist
> before 1920. All they are doing is sating that the particular form of
> anatase did not exist before 1920.

Sorry Eric,
but that's not true - the particular form is known before 1900 AND it does
exist in nature. That's the fact which several scholars specialist in
mineral crystal structures given not only to me but in several of the
reports I and others read on net. IF it's difficult to get at, well could be
for those of you who haven't had such a scholar among your friend and
discussed the structures with over and over for the last 30 years - long
before I heard of the Vinland Map ink question.
> >
> >That's been proven false many times over. By others as well as by me.
Among
> >other facts speaking against Mr Towe is a schoolbook for 16-18 year old
> >students at Technical Schools and what we call Gymnasium(High School)
from
> >1880's.
> >
> >Then Mr Towe claimed that the anatase didn't exist in nature in so high
> >concentration - that's been proven false. By me as Seppo and other
noticed.
> >
> >Then Mr Towe claimed that the anatase on VM must be syntetic because it
> >wasn't possible before 1920 to heat up to the temperatures needed. That's
> >been proven false.
>
> Nobody has argued that 800C was not attainable in the 15th century. Of
> course it was. The objectionis to the suggestion by Olin that the
> anatase on the VM was an accidental by-product of ink manufacture.
> There are lots of reasons why that theory should be rejected, not the
> least of which is that, as pointed out by Ken Towe, neither the ink
> nor the ink maker is likely to survive the ink being heated to a
> temperature sufficient to calcine the anatase.

The ink doesn't have to be heated - that's the truth which seems to be
forgotten - it exists that way in nature especially in mineralsand which one
way or an other have had water filtered in it. I also sent an url which some
here, not you, said to be too long for him to have time reading.... but the
fact is that the very type of anatase is the exact type a specialist in
crystal structure would expect to find in Medieval ink just because
water-cleaned and filtered sand was used to dry ink and that special
structure which can exist in between 0,55-50% in mineral sand depending on
where the sand origin. The other minerals mentioned are all apart from Gold
the ordinary ones and the Gold while rare does exist in at least three of
the locations where sand to be used to dry ink origin from.
You simply don't have a case Eric. Neither by using quantity or quality
methods. The main scholarly problem in the proposed scenario for anatase is
that you who assume it to be syntetic, which it definitely can't be
according to all specialists I spoken to and remember that I for several
years did order and discuss chemicals, minerals, salts and other alike
products. I am also used to read chemical reports. Had to learn since I was
the one who was to decide which type of first-aid action that needed to be
taken if things went wrong. I know that you are as well. That's why I can't
understand why you don't see the same in the anatase case as every
specialist I spoken to and to which opinions I agree.

The main problem is one thing but it's worse than that. Neither under
quality or quantity methods for Theory of Science' argumentation building is
the scholar allowed to lack inter-rater reliability. This also means that he
or she isn't allowed to use inductive methods using a circle proof. You
can't start from the position that the anatase is syntetic. Neither can you
start from the position that the VM map must have faced this or that
situation due to your assumption that the anatase could be syntetic. It
isn't. Simple as that. Given all what's been reported to be found by anyone
of those who analysed the VM map situation is that the contents reported ALL
are found in mineral sand. Sand can very rarely be dated no matter what it
can't be in this case. This means that no matter when the sand was placed on
the ink for it to dry the result would have been exactly the same as what's
been found on VM which gives two opportunities:
- either VM is the same map that was drawn in 1430's, or it's made before or
after those years but before it came to be known and finally sold.

So please reformulate your thesis. It simply isn't valid due to induction
from reading incomplete testresults and that the premisses needed for the
'starting'-point isn't analysed enough.

Inger E



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  • Re: V.M. last word
    ... > Circa 1974 McCrone et all was engaged to do a study of the Vinland Map. ... > Anatase and it's polymorphs. ... > Towe says: ... > concentrated in the ink and not distributed over the parchment" Towe 2004 ...
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  • V.M. last word
    ... Circa 1974 McCrone et all was engaged to do a study of the Vinland Map. ... Anatase and it's polymorphs. ... Towe says: ... concentrated in the ink and not distributed over the parchment" Towe 2004 ...
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  • Re: The Vinland Maps Ink
    ... >>>anatase on the VM is authentic, but must await the results of Olin's ... >>>formulated ink to parchment before being convinced that anatase which is ... >>>only known as modern could have been produced in the 15th century. ... >> With respect to Ken Towe, I must introduce an ad hominem. ...
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  • Re: Scholars and Theory of Science former Re: The Vinland Maps Ink
    ... >But I have found that Mr Towe himself is unwilling to see that he doesn't ... >First Mr Towe, and others, said that anatase didn't exist before 1920. ... anatase on the VM was an accidental by-product of ink manufacture. ...
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  • Re: Vinland map and Historia Tartarorum, question
    ... >> I had thought that the Vinland Map game was over. ... > major element concentrated in the ink and not distributed over the ... >> despite the fact that Towe is a specialist on clays. ... > Weavers determination of the existence of the TiO2 in the clay. ...
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