Re: Why only crap in this NG? (was Wolter claims ...)

On Sat, 28 May 2005 12:18:37 GMT, Philip Deitiker
<Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@xxxxxxxxx> says in
>news:r0vf915im3adgtpjdhdtee2o1oq7pn2fs9@xxxxxxx:
>
>> On Sat, 28 May 2005 03:08:58 GMT, Philip Deitiker
>> <Donevenask@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>Thomas Zahr <ThomasZahr0505@xxxxxxxxxxx> says in
>>>news:Xns96641CE19757ThomasZahrfreenetde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>.de:
>>>
>>>> IEJ posted:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>> Secondly:
>>>>> In what way would it affect YOU if you had to admit that
>>>>> the Swedes and the Norwegians not only were active during
>>>>> the Migration Age up to end of Viking Age in Europe but
>>>>> also had more impact on the North American History then
>>>>> what the later arriving Brits, French and Spainards
>>>>> officially given them credit for?
>>>
>>>Everyone, take very careful note of what Inger is saying, and
>>>keep this in mind with what I said about cryptoracism and
>>>ethnocentrism. We were looking for a motivation and we seem to
>>>have found it.
>>
>> I think it's neither cryptoracism nor nor ethhnocentrism. First,
>> Swedes and Norwegians are substantially Inger's own people and
>> one should not be surprised that she should be interested in
>> their history. Second there is unambiguous evidence that they
>> were in NA at relevant times and the only point at issue is how
>> much influence, if any, they had. There are hints, mere hints,
>> that they were present in times and places which are not
>> generally recognised. There is no reason why Inger should not
>> want to follow up these things.
>>>
>>>"
>>> In what way would it affect YOU if you had to admit that
>>>the Swedes and the Norwegians not only were active during
>>>the Migration Age up to end of Viking Age in Europe but
>>>also had more impact on the North American History then
>>>what the later arriving Brits, French and Spainards
>>>officially given them credit for?
>>>"
>>>
>>>#1. Why do the british, french and spanish have any official
>>>role in giving credit, in what unreal universe would we need to
>>>rely on any of these to determine in america what happened in
>>>america? Americans are doing american studies, we can, of
>>>ourselves make the appropriate determinations, we do not need
>>>officially a stamp from any country, and especially not from
>>>Sweden.
>>>
>>>#2. What is to be gained or lost by giving credit to sweden for
>>>what Norway, Greenland, England, Gotland, Scotland other nations
>>>did 700 years ago. History is not about giving credit, its about
>>>assigning facts. Why is it that a person from Sweden would stand
>>>here and ask why it would affect to give credit to sweden from
>>>something that did not happen?
>>>
>>>Motivation for one person to be in this newsgroup is to get
>>>other people to pay homage to her country.
>>
>> You have frequently accussed Inger of racism and have linked
>> other people into this kind of accusation when they do not
>> immediately and violently reject the idea of a pre-Columbian
>> norse presence in NA.
>
>I do not reject the pre-columbian Norse presence. There is some sort
>of a deviancy in a person who aspires to show that thier birth
>country had the greatest impact, when there is no evidence of an
>historical impact at all. What there is evidence of is a retraction.
>See post to tom, she denies all retraction, claims the population was
>1500 greater than the experts, and then claims they all emigrated to
>the new world.
>
>> I would be careful before you continue to
>> level accusations of racism in this matter.
>
>Certainly, and so what is the topic of archaeology that you bring to
>the group.
>
>> In particular, I
>> would first remove the quite large chip from your not entirely
>> German shoulder.
>
>It is that nature of birth that makes a person fear others,
>it is the nature of experience that allows that person to reflect.
>It is the nature of life that curve balls are thrown
>And it is the nature of me that I am curved also.
>
>> I'm sorry to have to say this to you but you have been far too
>> effective a cheer-leader in this matter and you must realise
>> that accusations of bias on racial grounds cut both ways.
>
>I see, so I am posting post after post of misstatements, flooding
>this newsgroup with Norse bunk, right.
>
By all means take exception to that but it doesn't provide grounds for
calling someone a racist.

>You should know that most
>of the germans that settled Texas did so because they were fleeing
>the stupid nationalistic wars of europe, draft dodgers.




Eric Stevens

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